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Subject: Re: Pentium 4 2.0 Gig with RDRAM vs. Athlon 1900+ with DDR PC266 1600-2100

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 11:33:45 12/30/01

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Even when the P4 is using RDRAM the AthlonXP 1900+ doesn't get outperformed at
all. Look at www.tomshardware.com www.anandtech.com for example. Also I have
some benchmarks (screenshots of my AthlonXP 1900+ @ 1.81GHz. Here's the link to
the benchmarks... ftp://12.255.147.62/pub/overclockstuff/pics/newpc.zip

Notice in the synthetic CPU benchmark (sisoftcpu.jpg) the Pentium 4 scores 3688
Mips and 1040 Mflops (straight FPU). Using SSE2 the P4 gets 2440 Mflops.

The AthlonXP 1.81GHz gets 4977 Mips and 2493 Mflops (straight FPU). Good thing
they didn't include an SSE/3DNow! fpu test for the AthlonXP :)

Anyway those numbers show the AthlonXP being 190MHz slower yet 35% faster in
MIPS and 140% faster in Mflops.

Now, if you think the P4 is faster in games too.. absolutely wrong. Take Quake3
for example. These tests were done on EXACTLY configured systems. Only
difference is the CPU, RAM, and Motherboard.

Quake3 v1.30, demo 'four'. "Normal" Quality settings.

Pentium4 2GHz - Leadtek Geforce3 Ti500
640x480  = 238.6 fps
800x600  = 236.6 fps
1024x768 = 223.5 fps

Athlon XP 1900+ (1.6Ghz, non-overclocked) Geforce3 Ti500
640x480  = 265.0 fps
800x600  = 260.4 fps
1024x768 = 237.5 fps

Now for my overclocked settings...

AthlonXP 1900+ (1.8GHz, 150fsb) Geforce3 Ti500 @ 260/570
640x480  = 296.7 fps
800x600  = 290.6 fps
1024x768 = 263.9 fps

Now.. as far as Chess goes I think 90% of you know there is absolutely no
competition when it comes to P4 vs Athlon(xp/mp/etc).

Here's some numbers off my crafty benchmark page..
(http://12.255.147.62/crafty/bench.html)

Crafty v18.11 (each version is optimized for the specific processor)

AthlonXP 1.81GHz    - 1,132,185 nps.
Thunderbird 1.67GHz - 1,041,610 nps.
Pentium 4 1.7GHz    -   687,406 nps.
Celeron 1GHz        -   575,475 nps.
Pentium 4 1.5Ghz    -   569,185 nps.

As you can see even a Celeron at 1GHz is faster in chess (in crafty) than a
Pentium 4 1.5GHz. I don't have results of a P4-2GHz but Crafty's speedup is
basically linear on the same cpu... so a P4-2GHz 'should' get around 800knps.


As far as stability there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the AMD chips.
If you buy a motherboard with some noname off the wall chipset that was only $50
I can guarantee you're going to have problems.. same goes for buying any piece
of garbage. Get a quality motherboard, ram, videocard, etc and you won't have
any problems at all. From what I can see so far there is absolutely no reason
anyone should get a Pentium 4 when upgrading. They are a waste money.



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