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Subject: Re: We need a fourth program to participate in the weakest program match ?

Author: Jeroen van Dorp

Date: 09:49:06 12/31/01

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>1.ChessMaster 8000 = 2520 (Original, Non of the modified Personalities)
>2.Gandalf = 2533
>3.Nimzo 8 = 2555
>4.Which do you select as the fourth weakest Commercial Chess Proram?
>
>PS: If you compare them on equal hardware the weakest programs  according to the
>SSDF on K6-2 450 MHz are in this order.


Gandalf 4.32h is number 7 on the list, with a rating of 2647. Gandalf 5 is
probably stronger, and hasn't been tested yet.
Hiarcs 7.32 on K6 is both below Nimzo 8 and Gandalf. For Rebel Century 3 the
same, yet is did very well against very strong human players.

Letting Gandalf 4.32h play on faster hardware makes it jump from 25th to 7th
place. What would happen with ChessMaster 8000 on 28 with faster hardware? Not
long ago it topped the list. With a margin now of 44-45 points it could be
anywhere between place 19 and 33. If the jump in strenght by faster hardware
would be the same for CM as for Gandalf 4.32h it could be anywhere between place
4 and 13 or so.

It's always nice to be busy with your hobby, but both the results and the
discussions following will render the results useless, like the discussion about
the "strongest" program.

As long as there are so many definitions of a strong program and a weak program,
you could also start a discussion about the most blue program, or the most
Dutch.

And above that you are going to publish a program name with a very negative
connotation, just after a "small round robin tournament". Just when we
established that a sensible comparison between chess programs consists of a lot
of games played at various time controls.

Again, I'm not discouraging your efforts, but the SSDF-list gives us a lot more
insight - because we can see what the difference in hardware can establish, what
a new version does against it's older version, and that all with a respectable
lot of games.

Shouting "X is the best" is almost always discarded here, but at least not
negative. For "Y is the worst" the cards change. Just my opinion.

J.



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