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Subject: Re: We need a fourth program to participate in the weakest program match ?

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 09:59:14 12/31/01

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On December 31, 2001 at 12:49:06, Jeroen van Dorp wrote:

>>1.ChessMaster 8000 = 2520 (Original, Non of the modified Personalities)
>>2.Gandalf = 2533
>>3.Nimzo 8 = 2555
>>4.Which do you select as the fourth weakest Commercial Chess Proram?
>>
>>PS: If you compare them on equal hardware the weakest programs  according to the
>>SSDF on K6-2 450 MHz are in this order.
>
>
>Gandalf 4.32h is number 7 on the list, with a rating of 2647. Gandalf 5 is
>probably stronger, and hasn't been tested yet.
>Hiarcs 7.32 on K6 is both below Nimzo 8 and Gandalf. For Rebel Century 3 the
>same, yet is did very well against very strong human players.
>
>Letting Gandalf 4.32h play on faster hardware makes it jump from 25th to 7th
>place. What would happen with ChessMaster 8000 on 28 with faster hardware? Not
>long ago it topped the list. With a margin now of 44-45 points it could be
>anywhere between place 19 and 33. If the jump in strenght by faster hardware
>would be the same for CM as for Gandalf 4.32h it could be anywhere between place
>4 and 13 or so.

The solution would be very simple, if all the latest versions would be tested on
the SSDF using Athlon 1200 MHz, instead of just a few.

Jorge
>
>It's always nice to be busy with your hobby, but both the results and the
>discussions following will render the results useless, like the discussion about
>the "strongest" program.
>
>As long as there are so many definitions of a strong program and a weak program,
>you could also start a discussion about the most blue program, or the most
>Dutch.
>
>And above that you are going to publish a program name with a very negative
>connotation, just after a "small round robin tournament". Just when we
>established that a sensible comparison between chess programs consists of a lot
>of games played at various time controls.
>
>Again, I'm not discouraging your efforts, but the SSDF-list gives us a lot more
>insight - because we can see what the difference in hardware can establish, what
>a new version does against it's older version, and that all with a respectable
>lot of games.
>
>Shouting "X is the best" is almost always discarded here, but at least not
>negative. For "Y is the worst" the cards change. Just my opinion.
>
>J.



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