Author: Uri Blass
Date: 13:07:07 01/01/02
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On January 01, 2002 at 11:13:31, James T. Walker wrote: >On January 01, 2002 at 09:43:49, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 01, 2002 at 09:30:40, Eran wrote: >> >>>I heard that Fritz7 is stronger than Shredder6, but Shredder6 does better with >>>longer time calculation than Fritz7 does. Is that true? >>> >>>I favored playing long games, both tournament and casual. So I am having a hard >>>time deciding which chess program above is better for long games. Please >>>recommend me. >>> >>>Thank you, >>>Eran >> >>I recommand Fritz7 >>I do not believe the claim that Shredder is better at long time control. >> >>I heard also claims that Shredder5 is 100 elo better than Fritz6a. >>The ssdf tested it and it turned out that shredder5 is weaker than Fritz6a. >> >>I also heard that shredder6 is 80 elo better than shredder5.32 >>I suggest that you believe nothing from it. >> >>Even if shredder6 is 80 elo better than Shredder5.32 it is not going to be >>enough to be better than Fritz7 because Fritz7 is probably clearly better than >>Deep Fritz. >> >>Shredder6 lost recently a match against Fritz7a 8.5-1.5 at 120/40 >>The hardware was not the fastest but I do not believe that faster hardware is >>going to change much. >> >>You can download games of shredder6 and Fritz7 at >>http://www.harald-faber.de >> >>Uri > >Hello Uri, >In my standard database (games longer than 1 hour/side) Deep Shredder is 70 >points below Fritz 7. In my Blitz database (mostly Game/5 minutes) Deep >Shredder is 120 points below Fritz 7. All games played on (2) Athlon 900-1400 >machines using auto232. This is certainly not proof but is some evidence that >Deep Shredder does get better results at longer time controls. Since I have >this proof, I cannot believe otherwise untill I see proof. I don't own Shredder >6 so I cannot comment on it. >Jim I do not know if the number of games is enough to get significant results but the difference may be also result of diminishing returns It is possible that you will find the same behaviour if you play games with Fritz on fast hardware and Fritz on slow hardware. I also do not like the claims about shredder in the past (100 elo better than Fritz6a from "objective testers" so it make me not believing claims that shredder is the best). Fritz always dominated in the ssdf list when the only program that did trouble to it in the last years was tiger(chessmaster or hiarcs are history) I am not going to have opinion if tiger15 is better than Fritz7a before seeing evidence but I am going to have an opinion that Fritz7a is better than every other program unless I see evidence that proves the opposite. Uri
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