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Subject: Re: Fritz7 or Shredder6 better for long (tournament) games?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:10:37 01/02/02

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On January 02, 2002 at 02:48:43, Sandro Necchi wrote:

>On January 01, 2002 at 09:43:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 01, 2002 at 09:30:40, Eran wrote:
>>
>>>I heard that Fritz7 is stronger than Shredder6, but Shredder6 does better with
>>>longer time calculation than Fritz7 does. Is that true?
>>>
>>>I favored playing long games, both tournament and casual. So I am having a hard
>>>time deciding which chess program above is better for long games. Please
>>>recommend me.
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>Eran
>>
>>I recommand Fritz7
>>I do not believe the claim that Shredder is better at long time control.
>
>Well, Fritz 7a wins against Shredder 6 as many reported. Shredder 6 was able to
>win, with my book (UCI interface) against all the strongest competitors. This is
>what was reported from the test games/matches.

This is not what reported by harald Faber
http://www.harald-faber.de/englisch/HaraldE.htm

Examples:
Shredder6 lost against Gambittiger2 5.5-4.5
Shredder6 could only draw against Hiarcs7.32

I admit that based on Harald tests against the same opponents it seems that
Shredder6 is about 80 elo better than Shredder5.32

Shredder6 did 31-29 result against some programs when Shredder5.32 did 24.5-35.5
result against the same opponents(I did not include gambittiger aggresive when
we have for now only shredder5.32's results and I did include Fritz7 because
Shredder5.32 lost 7.5-2.5 against Fritz7 when Shredder6 lost 8.5-1.5 against
Fritz7a)

I still believe that Shredder6 is not going to be 80 elo above shredder5.32 in
the ssdf games because I guess that the new book is good mainly against programs
that you tested Shredder against them and Shredder6 is going to play
in the ssdf games against programs that you did not test Shredder6 against them

Fritz7a is only one of them.

I am going to apologize if the commercial version of shredder6 with no update to
the opening book and no update to the engine is going to be at least 80 elo
better than Shredder5.32 in the ssdf list.

I believe that Shredder6 is better than Shredder5.32 and I believe that your
book can also help it but unbiased tests of your book should be also against
opponents that you did not prepare your book specially for them.

Uri



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