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Subject: Re: WAC 258

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 14:53:12 01/02/02

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On January 02, 2002 at 16:55:19, Uri Blass wrote:

>I found that at least in one problem of wac my program find the right move but
>gets negative score for white
>
>I talk about WAC 258
>
>[D]r3brkn/1p5p/2p2Ppq/2Pp3B/3Pp2Q/4P1R1/6PP/5R1K w - - bm Bxg6
>
>Here is yace's opinion after 1.Bxg6 Qxg6
>
>New position
>r3brkn/1p5p/2p2Pq1/2Pp4/3Pp2Q/4P1R1/6PP/5R1K w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 7   00:00:00
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 8   00:00:00
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  1kN
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.h5 Nf8 6.Rb1 Ra3 7.Qh6 Ne6 8.Rf1
>  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 10   00:00:00  3kN
>2.Rxg6+ Nxg6 3.Qg5 Rf7 4.h4 Kh8 5.Rb1 Nf8 6.Kh2 b5 7.cxb6 Nd7 8.b7 Rb8 9.Rf1
>  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 12   00:00:20  7045kN
>2.Qf4 Rf7 3.h4 Bd7 4.h5 Ra1 5.hxg6 Nxg6
>  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 12   00:00:29  10795kN
>2.Qf4 Rf7 3.h4 h6 4.Rxg6+ Nxg6 5.Qf5 Nf8 6.Qg4+ Kh7 7.Qf5+ Kh8 8.Kh2 Ra3 9.Qf4
>Kh7 10.g3
>  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 12   00:00:56  19846kN
>2.Qf4 Rf7 3.h4 h6 4.Rxg6+ Nxg6 5.Qf5 Nf8 6.Kh2 Kh8 7.Rf2 Ra3 8.Qf4 Kh7 9.g3
>  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 13   00:01:27  29195kN
>2.Qf4 Rf7 3.h4 h6 4.Rxg6+ Nxg6 5.Qf5 Nf8 6.Qf4 Kh7 7.Qf5+ Kh8 8.g3 Nd7 9.Qe6 Rb8
>  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 14   00:02:42  49564kN
>2.Qf4 Rf7 3.h4 h6 4.Rxg6+ Nxg6 5.Qf5 Ne7 6.Qg4+ Kh7 7.h5 Ng8 8.Qf5+ Kh8 9.Qe6 b5
>10.cxb6 Re7
>  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 15   00:08:00  146140kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 02.01.2002)
>
>I did not analyze the position for a long time.
>Did someone analyze it to find if white is winning?

Pepito 17 ply search:
17   -20 19971 78794049  Bh5xg6 Qh6xg6 Qh4-f4 Rf8-f7 h4 h6 Rg3xg6 Nh8xg6 Qf4-f5
Ng6-e7 Qf5-f4 Kg8-h7 g4 Ne7-g6 Qf4-g3 Kh7-g8 g5 Kg8-h7 h5
17   -20 24902 96182803  Bh5xg6 Qh6xg6 Qh4-f4 Rf8-f7 h4 h6 Rg3xg6 Nh8xg6 Qf4-f5
Ng6-e7 Qf5-f4 Kg8-h7 g4 Ne7-g6 Qf4-g3 Kh7-g8 g5 Kg8-h7 h5

Chess Tiger 14's 16 ply search:
r3brkn/1p5p/2p2Ppq/2Pp3B/3Pp2Q/4P1R1/6PP/5R1K w - - ce -48; acd 16; acs 1; pv
Bxg6 Qxg6 Rxg6+ Nxg6 Qf2 Rf7 g4 Bd7;|!1

ChessMaster 8000 said this:
Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves

0:03	4/9	-0.22	455773		1. Bxg6 Qxg6 2. Rxg6+ Nxg6 3. Qf2
					Ra3 4. h4 h5 5. Rb1 Rf7 6. Kg1
0:11	4/10	-0.15	1546526		1. Bxg6 Qxg6 2. Rxg6+ Nxg6 3. Qf2
					Rf7 4. h4 h5 5. Qg3 Rd7 6. Qh3
					Nf8 7. Kg1
0:29	5/11	-0.16	4376543		1. Bxg6 Qxg6 2. Rxg6+ Nxg6 3. Qf2
					Rf7 4. h4 h5 5. Qf5 Rh7 6. Qe6+
					Bf7 7. Qd7 Nxh4 8. Qxb7
2:11	6/12	0.00	19272379	1. Bxg6 Qxg6 2. Rxg6+ hxg6 3. Kg1
					Bd7 4. Qg3 Ra2 5. h4 Be6 6. Qc7
					Rf7 7. Qd8+ Kh7 8. Rf2 Ra1+ 9.
					Rf1 Ra2

I can't find a game where this position actually occurs, so I don't know what
the answer is supposed to be.

There are some other positions in WAC that are worse than this (e.g. the best
move probably still loses).





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