Author: Albert Silver
Date: 05:07:11 01/03/02
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On January 02, 2002 at 19:05:17, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>On January 02, 2002 at 18:19:04, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On January 02, 2002 at 18:09:01, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>On January 02, 2002 at 18:00:06, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>On January 02, 2002 at 16:56:46, Dan Andersson wrote:
>>>>>Fear of what? There are some issues here:
>>>>>The possibility of human intervention in this online tournament;
>>>>
>>>>Someone might cheat. That could happen at any tournament. But cheat with what?
>>>> Is Kasparov going to sit around and give advice? Against (for instance)
>>>>Shredder on a 1.x GHz machine, kabitzing is risky and stupid. If you are in
>>>>fear of that, then you are a true coward. Lame excuse negated.
>>>
>>>Come on Dann, there are excellent ways to cheat at an event like this.
>>>
>>>I could operate Sjeng as an advanced player, or worse, use Fritz 7
>>>with slighly different settings instead. That would certainly boost
>>>my winning chances.
>>
>>Very easily detectable, if the program you use is available. That should be a
>>precondition to the contest.
>
>You can already start scratching several participants in that case.
>
>Ferret is a potential cheater, so he shouldn't join?
>
>>If you can only win by book-cooks, then that's pretty sad anyway.
>
>It is a pretty sad reality in that case. Of course they don't only
>win because of book-cooks, but they are a significant advantage.
>
>>There are several companies that did that[1]. I don't know if any of them still
>>do or not. I find such behavior reprehensible, but it is what I have come to
>>expect. It is nice to find a refreshing exception now and then.
>>
>>[1] At least 3 that I can think of.
>
>I would like to know who that are/were.
>
>--
>GCP
Personally I don't get it. If the issue is cheating such as advanced players,
etc, then demand that all programmers submit their program's logs BEFORE the
next round starts. Since all programs involved are there with the knowledge and
blessing of their authors, this can't be too hard to do. I'm not saying this is
foolproof, of course not, but it sure makes it harder, and advanced players
would have a hard time at it, making up the entire mainline and eval, etc.
Still, cheating could happen anywhere at anytime, and if one is going to shirk
an event because of this possibility, then you won't ever be able to compete.
I have been the object of such an accusation once in a tournament, and it was
quite unpleasant, though utter nonsense. The arbiter knew me though, and threw
the idea out the window as soon as it came to his ears, but it still needed
resolving. I have met the guy twice OTB since then, and make a special case of
pounding him to pieces (OTB). Not too hard really since he is less adept
tactically and rated some 200 points less.
Millennium comes to mind obviously in regards to the SSDF, and possibly even CB,
though in the latter case it wasn't so clear-cut. CB's restrictions on
participation were on the hardware used. Fritz's autoplayer would only run if
the hardware met certain conditions which caused a considerable stir at the
time.
Albert
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