Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 08:16:34 01/03/02
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On January 03, 2002 at 09:22:20, Mogens Larsen wrote: >On January 03, 2002 at 08:07:11, Albert Silver wrote: > >>Personally I don't get it. If the issue is cheating such as advanced players, >>etc, then demand that all programmers submit their program's logs BEFORE the >>next round starts. Since all programs involved are there with the knowledge and >>blessing of their authors, this can't be too hard to do. I'm not saying this is >>foolproof, of course not, but it sure makes it harder, and advanced players >>would have a hard time at it, making up the entire mainline and eval, etc. >>Still, cheating could happen anywhere at anytime, and if one is going to shirk >>an event because of this possibility, then you won't ever be able to compete. >> >>I have been the object of such an accusation once in a tournament, and it was >>quite unpleasant, though utter nonsense. The arbiter knew me though, and threw >>the idea out the window as soon as it came to his ears, but it still needed >>resolving. I have met the guy twice OTB since then, and make a special case of >>pounding him to pieces (OTB). Not too hard really since he is less adept >>tactically and rated some 200 points less. >> >>Millennium comes to mind obviously in regards to the SSDF, and possibly even CB, >>though in the latter case it wasn't so clear-cut. CB's restrictions on >>participation were on the hardware used. Fritz's autoplayer would only run if >>the hardware met certain conditions which caused a considerable stir at the >>time. > >I tend to agree. The organizational burdens are not insurmountable compared to >those of the amateurs and there no or very few possible threats to the image >involved. You could argue that the image broadcasted by not participating, and >the more less convincing reasons behind doing so, are just as harmful as an >unfortunate result would be. Not to mention the fact that the whole World isn't >watching. It's still an obscure event by most standards imaginable, so it >shouldn't provoke anxiety or trepidation. I suspect that more people would be watching an online event than one held at Paderborn. There are thousands of people online at any particular time, and the news of the tournament has been going on for quite a while. Quite frankly, I think the WMCCC events are very obscure, and probably the chess programmers, this board, the Winboard forum, a couple German boards and rec.games.chess.computer are the only places that even know about it. Online contests, on the other hand, will definitely be followed by thousands of watchers. It appears that we can't counter the cheating arguments by providing the logs or the binaries, and we can't trust each other to be truthful. I guess we are just a big cringing mass of losers.
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