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Subject: Re: I was complete wrong! There is no progress (except in Yace)...

Author: Albert Silver

Date: 05:06:39 01/04/02

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On January 04, 2002 at 00:59:00, Jouni Uski wrote:

>On January 03, 2002 at 03:33:34, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 03, 2002 at 01:05:14, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>[D]k7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/R3K3 w Q - 0 1
>>>
>>>Mate in 8
>>>
>>>I tried this at home with Tiger14 and Fritz7 and Shredder5.32. None of them has
>>>any idea about mate in 8. Then I tried with Mate2.1, but no solution under 30
>>>minutes. What's the problem? Only Yace gives CORRECT mate in few seconds. Is
>>>this null move problem?
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>programs of today have no problem with it
>>They may see wrong number of moves to mate but they always see the mate in few
>>seconds on p800
>>
>>
>>New position
>>k7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/R3K3 w Q - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0:
>>
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Ka8 3.Rd7 Kb8 4.Kb1 Ka8 5.Rc7 Kb8 6.a7+ Ka8 7.a6
>>  +-  (22.08)   Depth: 13   00:00:00  148kN
>>1.Rd1 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8 3.Rd7 Ka8 4.Kd2 Kb8 5.Kc3 Ka8 6.Kb4 Kb8 7.a7+ Ka8
>>  +-  (21.98)   Depth: 13   00:00:01  477kN, tb=7
>>1.Rd1 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8 3.Rd7 Ka8 4.Kd2 Kb8 5.Kc3 Ka8 6.Kb4 Kb8 7.a7+ Ka8 8.a6
>>  +-  (21.98)   Depth: 14   00:00:01  698kN, tb=51
>>1.0-0-0
>>  +-  (22.88)   Depth: 14   00:00:02  997kN, tb=63
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Kc2 Kxa6 3.Rd7 Kxa5 4.Rd6 Kxa4 5.Rd5 Kxa3 6.Rd4 Kxa2 7.Ra4#
>>  +-  (#7)   Depth: 14   00:00:03  1281kN, tb=68
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Kc2 Kxa6 3.Rd7 Kxa5 4.Rd6 Kxa4 5.Rd5 Kxa3 6.Rd4 Kxa2 7.Ra4#
>>  +-  (#7)   Depth: 15   00:00:04  1619kN, tb=220
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 03.01.2002)
>>
>>Crafty(1 mbytes hash)
>>
>>New position
>>k7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/R3K3 w Q - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Crafty 18.12:
>>
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7
>>  +-  (12.88)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7
>>  +-  (12.88)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:00
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6
>>  +-  (12.93)   Depth: 3/3   00:00:00
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6
>>  +-  (13.33)   Depth: 4/5   00:00:00
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8
>>  +-  (13.55)   Depth: 4/5   00:00:00
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8
>>  +-  (13.95)   Depth: 5/8   00:00:00
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8 3.Rd7
>>  +-  (14.05)   Depth: 5/8   00:00:00
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8 3.Rd7 Kc8
>>  +-  (14.05)   Depth: 6/10   00:00:00  4kN
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Ka8 3.Rd7 Kb8 4.Kd2
>>  +-  (14.15)   Depth: 7/12   00:00:00  14kN
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Ka8 3.Rd7 Kb8 4.Kd2 Kc8
>>  +-  (14.15)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:00  40kN
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Ka8 3.Rd7 Kb8 4.Kd2 Ka8 5.Rc7
>>  +-  (14.23)   Depth: 9/16   00:00:00  113kN
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Ka8 3.Rd7 Kb8 4.Kd2 Ka8 5.Kc3 Kb8
>>  +-  (14.45)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:00  257kN
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Ka8 3.Rd7 Kb8 4.Kd2 Ka8 5.Kc3 Kb8 6.a7+ Ka8 7.a6
>>  +-  (14.54)   Depth: 11/19   00:00:01  614kN, tb=6
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Ka8 3.Rd7 Kb8 4.Kd2 Ka8 5.Kc3 Kb8 6.a7+ Ka8 7.a6
>>  +-  (14.94)   Depth: 12/21   00:00:01  1212kN, tb=41
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd7+ Kb8 3.Kd2 Ka8 4.Rd8+ Ka7 5.Kc2
>>  +-  (#10)   Depth: 12/21   00:00:06  4242kN, tb=42
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 03.01.2002)
>>
>>New position
>>k7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/P7/R3K3 w Q - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Junior 7:
>>
>>1.Rd1 Kxa7 2.Rd6
>>  +-  (6.37)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>>1.Rd1 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8 3.Rd8+ Ka7
>>  +-  (6.53)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
>>1.Rd1!
>>  +-  (6.83)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  1kN
>>1.Rd1! Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8 3.Rd7 Ka8 4.Rb7
>>  +-  (6.87)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  2kN
>>1.Rd1!
>>  +-  (7.17)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  7kN
>>1.Rd1! Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8 3.Rd7 Ka8 4.Rc7 Kb8 5.a7+ Ka8 6.a6
>>  +-  (7.95)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  18kN, tb=2
>>1.Rd1 Kxa7 2.Rd6 Kb8 3.Rd7 Ka8 4.Rh7 Kb8 5.a7+ Ka8 6.a6
>>  +-  (7.95)   Depth: 15   00:00:00  143kN, tb=349
>>1.0-0-0 Kxa7 2.Rd7+ Kxa6 3.Kc2 Kxa5 4.Rd6 Kxa4
>>  +-  (7.96)   Depth: 15   00:00:00  285kN, tb=730
>>1.0-0-0!
>>  +-  (8.26)   Depth: 18   00:00:00  334kN, tb=909
>>1.0-0-0! Kxa7 2.Kc2 Kxa6 3.Rd7 Kxa5 4.Rd6 Kxa4
>>  +-  (8.27)   Depth: 18   00:00:01  651kN, tb=1457
>>1.0-0-0!
>>  +-  (8.57)   Depth: 21   00:00:02  1063kN, tb=3425
>>1.0-0-0! Kxa7 2.Rd7+ Kb8 3.Kc2 Ka8 4.Rd8+ Ka7 5.Kc3 Kxa6 6.Rd7 Kxa5 7.Rd6
>>  +-  (#6)   Depth: 21   00:00:07  5689kN, tb=3710
>>1.0-0-0! Kxa7 2.Rd7+ Kb8 3.Kc2 Ka8 4.Rd8+ Ka7 5.Kc3 Kxa6 6.Rd7 Kxa5 7.Rd6
>>  +-  (#6)   Depth: 21   00:00:08  6039kN, tb=3852
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 03.01.2002)
>>
>>Uri
>
>I think these kind of results are useless! Because of white's enormous material
>benefit it's easy to quess, that white can mate wit any move, but I want exact
>number of moves!
>
>Jouni

I don't know what you're complaining about. It's a clear mate in 6 as announced
by J7, and I can confirm that its 30 ply mainline is correct.

                                         Albert



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