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Subject: Re: WAC #235 - 1.Qe4

Author: Bas Hamstra

Date: 05:36:58 01/04/02

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Tao thinks Qxf7 is better.

Greetz,
Bas.

Hash 8 Mb
PawnHash 4 Mb
Hashing 524288 positions
PHash 65536 records
Evaluation learning 0
TableBases found in c:\TaoYin\TB
Book Tao.bk (42548 pos)
Ok[Load wac235.epd]
Ok[analyze]
TargetTime set[8590]
 1.    204        0       846  e6e4
 2     268        0      1369  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 2.    268        0      2577  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 3     268        0      3176  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 3.    268        0      6403  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 4     268        0      8238  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 4.    268        0     19585  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 5     268        1     31478  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 5.    268        1     54759  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 6     268        1     81075  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 6.    268        2    133902  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7
 7     275        2    180451  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f6e5 b7f7 g7f7 e4h7
e5g7 h7f5 g7f6
 7.    275        4    323085  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f6e5 b7f7 g7f7 e4h7
e5g7 h7f5 g7f6
 8     284        7    565884  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 b2e5 h2h4 f7b7 e4b7
g7g6 h4g5 h6g5
 8.    284       10    825534  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 b2e5 h2h4 f7b7 e4b7
g7g6 h4g5 h6g5
 9     289       14   1111722  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7 b7f7
g7f7 f2f4 g5f4 e3f4
 9.    289       21   1766470  e6e4 f7e7 d7e7 f8f7 e7b7 f7b7 e4b7 f6f7 b7f7
g7f7 f2f4 g5f4 e3f4
10     398       78   5445964  e6e4 b2e5 e7f7 f8f7 d7f7 g7f7 e4b7 f7e8 b7c8
f6d8 c8e6 d8e7 e6h6 e5f6 h6h5 e8d8 c5c6
10     463       81   5680122  e7f7 f8f7 e6f7 f6f7 c5c6 b7c6 b5c6 b2e5 e3d4
g7f8 d7f7 f8f7 d4e5 f7e6
10.    463       89   6096480  e7f7 f8f7 e6f7 f6f7 c5c6 b7c6 b5c6 b2e5 e3d4
g7f8 d7f7 f8f7 d4e5 f7e6
11     488       91   6400436  e7f7 f8f7 e6f7 f6f7 c5c6 b7c6 b5c6 b2e5 e3d4
g7f8 d7f7 f8f7 d4e5 f7e6 c6c7
11.    488      102   7355447  e7f7 f8f7 e6f7 f6f7 c5c6 b7c6 b5c6 b2e5 e3d4
g7f8 d7f7 f8f7 d4e5 f7e6 c6c7
12     501      112   8286736  e7f7 f8f7 e6f7 f6f7 c5c6 b7c6 b5c6 b2e5 e3d4
g7f8 d7f7 f8f7 d4e5 f7e6 c6c7 e6d7
12.    501      141  10639966  e7f7 f8f7 e6f7 f6f7 c5c6 b7c6 b5c6 b2e5 e3d4
g7f8 d7f7 f8f7 d4e5 f7e6 c6c7


On January 04, 2002 at 05:03:13, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 04, 2002 at 03:47:06, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>
>>Another position which Hossa doesn't solve according to my wac.epd file: WAC
>>#235
>>
>>[D]5r2/1p1RRrk1/4Qq1p/1PP3p1/8/4B3/1b3P1P/6K1 w - -
>>
>>The key moves are Qxf7 and Rxf7. Hossa instead plays 1.Qe4 with something like
>>+4. Dann? :-)
>>
>>Greetings,
>>Steffen.
>
>
>Yes
>Qe4 is also a winning move here
>
>My stupid program also plays Qe4 but I think that
>programs should play Qxf7 or Rxf7 because they are the most simple
>way to win the game.
>My program's score after finising iteration 10 is only 2.34 but
>I guess that it is not searching deep enough.
>main line
>e6e4 g7g8 e7f7 f8f7 e4b7 f7d7 b7d7 f6g7 d7g7 b2g7 b5b6 b5b6
>
>After Rxf7+ Rxf7 Qxf7+ Qxf7 c6 that is 3 plies
>from my program point of view my program says:
>
>depth 8 score -1.34
>depth 9 score -3.48
>depth 10 score -4.39
>depth 11 score -4.59
>
>It means that my program probably needs at least depth 12 to
>find 1.Rxf7+ or 1.Qxf7+ and it may take it some hours.
>
>
>Uri



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