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Subject: Re: a simple test position that is hard for Shredder and hiarcs7.32

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 12:27:50 01/04/02

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On January 04, 2002 at 06:57:53, Uri Blass wrote:

>How much time do programs need to avoid 74.Nxb5
>Most programs need few seconds when
>Hiarcs7.32(48 Mbytes hash) needs almost 10 minutes on p800
>
>Shredder6 could not avoid Nxb5 even in 112 seconds
>based on the pgn of it's games against tiger aggresive.
>
>Shredder 6 - Gambit Tiger 2.0
>[D]8/5rbk/6q1/1p1Q4/1PpP2p1/2N2p2/5PP1/3R2K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32:
>
>74.Nxb5 fxg2 75.Kxg2
>  +-  (1.60)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>  ±  (1.23)   Depth: 2/10   00:00:00
>74.Nxb5 fxg2 75.Qxg2
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 2/10   00:00:00
>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>  ±  (1.01)   Depth: 3/13   00:00:00
>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>  ±  (1.01)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>74.Nxb5 fxg2 75.Qxc4 Qf5 76.Rd2
>  ±  (1.07)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00
>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00  8kN
>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  15kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  74kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5 75.Qd7 Rh5 76.Nd6
>  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 6/23   00:00:01  100kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:02  222kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5 75.Qxc4 Qh5 76.Qc2 g3 77.gxf3 Qh2+
>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:02  279kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:06  686kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:08  837kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:39  3940kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5 75.Qxc4 Qh5 76.Qc2 g3 77.gxf3
>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:43  4378kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 10/29   00:01:20  8215kN
>74.Nxb5 Rf5 75.Qxc4 Qh5 76.Qc7 g3 77.Qxg3 Rg5 78.Nc3 Rxg3 79.fxg3
>  -+  (-1.59)   Depth: 10/30   00:02:50  17774kN
>74.Re1 fxg2 75.Ne4 Rf5 76.Qb7 Kg8 77.Kxg2 Bxd4 78.Rd1 Bg7 79.Nd6 Rf3 80.Nxb5
>  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 10/30   00:09:45  59913kN
>74.Ne4 Rf5 75.Qd7 Rf4 76.Ng3 Qf7 77.Qxf7 Rxf7 78.Ne4 Rf4 79.Ng5+ Kg8 80.Ne6 Re4
>81.Nxg7 Kxg7
>  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 10/30   00:15:51  94551kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 04.01.2002)
>
>Uri

Gaviota needs 40 seconds on a pIII 800mhz to avoid playing Nxb5.
Starts failing low and solves it at 207 seconds.

Miguel

Go to xboard/winboard mode
setboard 8/5rbk/6q1/1p1Q4/1PpP2p1/2N2p2/5PP1/3R2K1 w - - 0 1
d
+-----------------+
| . . . . . . . . |
| . . . . . r b k |
| . . . . . . q . |
| . x . Q . . . . |
| . o x o . . x . |
| . . N . . x . . |
| . . . . . o o . |
| . . . R . . K . |
+-----------------+

analyze
       123   1:      0.0    +0.04  Nc3xb5
      1026   2:      0.0    +0.09  Nc3xb5   f3xg2    Qd5xg2
      2662   3:      0.0    +0.46  Nc3xb5   f3xg2    Qd5xc4   Rf7-f5
                                   Kg1xg2
      6063   4       0.1      :-(  Nc3xb5
      7673   4       0.1      :-(
      8584   4       0.1    -0.00  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    Rd1-f1   f3xg2
                                   Qd5xg2
      9091   4:      0.1    -0.00  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    Rd1-f1   f3xg2
                                   Qd5xg2
     14124   5       0.2    +0.04  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    f2xg3    f3-f2
                                   Kg1-f1   Rf7-f5   Qd5xc4   Qg6xg3
     20656   5:      0.2    +0.04  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    f2xg3    f3-f2
                                   Kg1-f1   Rf7-f5   Qd5xc4   Qg6xg3
     35848   6       0.4    +0.04  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    f2xg3    f3-f2
                                   Kg1-f1   Rf7-f5   Qd5xc4   Qg6xg3
                                   <-transp
     44559   6:      0.5    +0.04  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    f2xg3    f3-f2
                                   Kg1-f1   Rf7-f5   Qd5xc4   Qg6xg3
                                   <-transp
    124680   7       1.4    +0.00  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    g2xf3    g3xf2
                                   Kg1xf2   Qg6-c2   Kf2-g3   Qc2-g6
                                   Kg3-f2
    218159   7:      2.3    +0.00  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    g2xf3    g3xf2
                                   Kg1xf2   Qg6-c2   Kf2-g3   Qc2-g6
                                   Kg3-f2
    391410   8       4.1    +0.00  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    g2xf3    g3xf2
                                   Kg1xf2   Qg6-c2   Kf2-g3   Qc2-g6
                                   Kg3-f2
    608588   8:      6.3    +0.00  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    g2xf3    g3xf2
                                   Kg1xf2   Qg6-c2   Kf2-g3   Qc2-g6
                                   Kg3-f2
   1031336   9      10.8    +0.00  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    g2xf3    g3xf2
                                   Kg1xf2   Qg6-c2   Kf2-g3   Qc2-g6
                                   Kg3-f2
   1701177   9:     17.5    +0.00  Nc3xb5   g4-g3    g2xf3    g3xf2
                                   Kg1xf2   Qg6-c2   Kf2-g3   Qc2-g6
                                   Kg3-f2
   3803257  10      40.3      :-(  Nc3xb5
  12381543  10     134.0      :-(
  18914245  10     207.1    -0.69  Rd1-e1   f3xg2    Kg1xg2   Qg6-f6
                                   Re1-f1   Qf6-f5   Qd5-c6   Rf7-f6
                                   Qc6-b7   Rf6-d6   Rf1-h1   Kh7-g8
                                   Qb7xb5




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