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Subject: Re: a simple test position that is hard for Shredder and hiarcs7.32

Author: John Merlino

Date: 19:12:37 01/04/02

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On January 04, 2002 at 17:57:33, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 04, 2002 at 06:57:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>How much time do programs need to avoid 74.Nxb5
>>Most programs need few seconds when
>>Hiarcs7.32(48 Mbytes hash) needs almost 10 minutes on p800
>>
>>Shredder6 could not avoid Nxb5 even in 112 seconds
>>based on the pgn of it's games against tiger aggresive.
>>
>>Shredder 6 - Gambit Tiger 2.0
>>[D]8/5rbk/6q1/1p1Q4/1PpP2p1/2N2p2/5PP1/3R2K1 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32:
>>
>>74.Nxb5 fxg2 75.Kxg2
>>  +-  (1.60)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>>  ±  (1.23)   Depth: 2/10   00:00:00
>>74.Nxb5 fxg2 75.Qxg2
>>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 2/10   00:00:00
>>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>>  ±  (1.01)   Depth: 3/13   00:00:00
>>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>>  ±  (1.01)   Depth: 3/14   00:00:00
>>74.Nxb5 fxg2 75.Qxc4 Qf5 76.Rd2
>>  ±  (1.07)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00
>>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>>  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00  8kN
>>74.Nxb5 fxg2
>>  ±  (0.81)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  15kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>>  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  74kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5 75.Qd7 Rh5 76.Nd6
>>  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 6/23   00:00:01  100kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>>  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:02  222kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5 75.Qxc4 Qh5 76.Qc2 g3 77.gxf3 Qh2+
>>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:02  279kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:06  686kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:08  837kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:39  3940kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5 75.Qxc4 Qh5 76.Qc2 g3 77.gxf3
>>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 9/29   00:00:43  4378kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5
>>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 10/29   00:01:20  8215kN
>>74.Nxb5 Rf5 75.Qxc4 Qh5 76.Qc7 g3 77.Qxg3 Rg5 78.Nc3 Rxg3 79.fxg3
>>  -+  (-1.59)   Depth: 10/30   00:02:50  17774kN
>>74.Re1 fxg2 75.Ne4 Rf5 76.Qb7 Kg8 77.Kxg2 Bxd4 78.Rd1 Bg7 79.Nd6 Rf3 80.Nxb5
>>  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 10/30   00:09:45  59913kN
>>74.Ne4 Rf5 75.Qd7 Rf4 76.Ng3 Qf7 77.Qxf7 Rxf7 78.Ne4 Rf4 79.Ng5+ Kg8 80.Ne6 Re4
>>81.Nxg7 Kxg7
>>  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 10/30   00:15:51  94551kN
>
>CM8000:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	2/5	0.46	15819		1. Nxb5 fxg2 2. Kxg2 Qf6 3. Qe4+
>					Kg8
>0:00	2/6	0.83	43927		1. Nxb5 fxg2 2. Qxc4 Qf5 3. Qd3
>					Qxd3 4. Rxd3 Rb7
>0:01	3/7	0.19	172873		1. Nxb5 g3 2. gxf3 Rf5 3. Qxc4
>					Rxf3 4. Kg2 Rxf2+ 5. Kg1
>0:04	3/8	-0.55	490922		1. Nxb5 Rf5 2. Qxc4 Qh5 3. Qc2
>					g3 4. gxf3 gxf2+ 5. Qxf2 Rxb5
>4:12	5/10	-0.23	31220846	1. Ne4 Re7 2. Ng3 c3 3. Qc5 c2
>					4. Rc1 Rf7 5. Qxc2 Bxd4 6. Qe4
>					Qxe4 7. Nxe4 fxg2 8. Kxg2

That's odd -- my (default) version of CM8000 avoids Nxb5 after 25 seconds on my
PIII-600. However, it doesn't find anything that it LIKES even after four
minutes:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	0.67	1124		1.Qxb5 g3 2.fxg3 Qxg3
0:00	1/3	0.70	1369		1.Nxb5 fxg2 2.Qxc4 Qf5
0:00	1/4	0.70	3025		1.Nxb5 fxg2 2.Qxc4 Qf5
0:00	1/4	0.73	3808		1.Qxb5 g3 2.fxg3 f2+ 3.Kf1
0:00	2/5	-0.68	10138		1.Qxb5 g3 2.fxg3 Qxg3 3.Qh5+ Kg8
					4.Qh3 f2+ 5.Kf1
0:00	2/5	0.46	15819		1.Nxb5 fxg2 2.Kxg2 Qf6 3.Qe4+ Kg8
0:00	2/6	0.83	43927		1.Nxb5 fxg2 2.Qxc4 Qf5 3.Qd3 Qxd3
					4.Rxd3 Rb7
0:03	3/7	0.19	172866		1.Nxb5 g3 2.gxf3 Rf5 3.Qxc4 Rxf3
					4.Kg2 Rxf2+ 5.Kg1
0:08	3/8	-0.55	490827		1.Nxb5 Rf5 2.Qxc4 Qh5 3.Qc2 g3
					4.gxf3 gxf2+ 5.Qxf2 Rxb5
0:25	3/8	-0.50	1586326		1.Rf1 Qf5 2.Qxf5+ Rxf5 3.gxf3 gxf3
					4.Rd1 Kg6 5.Kf1
0:31	3/8	-0.34	2015264		1.Ra1 fxg2 2.Kxg2 Qf6 3.Qe4+ Kg8
					4.Qxg4 Qxf2+ 5.Kh1 Qxd4 6.Ra8+
					Rf8 7.Qxd4 Bxd4 8.Rxf8+ Kxf8 9.Nxb5
0:43	3/8	0.02	2786929		1.g3 Qf5 2.Qxb5 Qxb5 3.Nxb5 Rb7
					4.Na3 Rxb4 5.d5 Bb2
0:50	4/9	-0.39	3273685		1.g3 Rf5 2.Qe4 Rh5 3.Re1 Qxe4 4.Rxe4
					Bf8 5.Rxg4 Bxb4
1:09	4/9	-0.36	4605803		1.Ra1 Qf5 2.Qxb5 Qxb5 3.Nxb5 Rb7
					4.Na3 Rxb4 5.Rc1 c3 6.Rxc3 Bxd4
1:37	4/9	-0.33	6500295		1.Ne4 Rf5 2.Qb7 fxg2 3.Kxg2 Qe6
					4.Re1 Kg8 5.Qc7 Rf8
4:01	5/10	-0.24	15980851	1.Ne4 Bh6 2.Nc3 Rf5 3.Qe4 fxg2
					4.Kxg2 Kh8 5.Qe7 Qh5 6.Kg1

jm



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