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Subject: Re: Shredder 6_Dual v Fritz 7a Brilliant game, take a look

Author: Jonas Cohonas

Date: 05:22:00 01/06/02

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On January 06, 2002 at 07:55:12, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 05, 2002 at 23:47:31, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>
>>At the moment Shredder 6_ Dual is leading 5.0-2.0 with no losses so far, this
>>is game 7 which i found to be especially good!
>>Check out the difference in evals in the beginning of the game.
>>
>>[Event "Dual_Shredder6-1"]
>>[Site "Dual MP 1600+"]
>>[Date "2002.01.06"]
>>[Round "7.1"]
>>[White "Shredder 6"]
>>[Black "Fritz 7"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "D16"]
>>[PlyCount "94"]
>>[EventDate "2002.01.05"]
>>
>>1. d4 {0} 1... d5 {0} 2. Nf3 {0} 2... Nf6 {0} 3. c4 {0} 3... c6 {0} 4. Nc3 {0}
>>4... dxc4 {0} 5. a4 {0} 5... Nbd7 {0} 6. e4 {0.61/14 93} 6... Qa5 {0.25/13 82}
>>7. Bd2 {0.83/13 45} 7... e5 {(e6) 0.03/13 53} 8. Bxc4 {0.57/13 105} 8... exd4 {
>>(Bb4) 0.00/13 102} 9. Bxf7+ {1.71/12 70} 9... Kxf7 {0.00/13 55} 10. Ng5+ {
>>1.69/12 148} 10... Kg6 {(Qxg5) 0.00/14 268} 11. Nd5 {2.02/12 147} 11... Qc5 {
>>(Qxd2+) 0.00/12 73} 12. Nf4+ {(h4) 2.29/11 53} 12... Kxg5 {-0.10/12 96} 13. h4+
>>{2.33/11 116} 13... Kh6 {-0.22/9 1} 14. g4 {2.33/11 112} 14... g5 {1.15/12 49}
>>15. hxg5+ {2.09/10 14} 15... Kxg5 {1.31/12 58} 16. Qf3 {2.77/11 60} 16... Rg8 {
>>0.90/11 71} 17. b4 {(Ne6+) 2.82/10 213} 17... Qe5 {(Nxg4) 0.00/12 68} 18. O-O-O
>>{(Rh5+) 4.21/10 40}
>
>I suspect a big catling bug by Fritz7
>
>Fritz7a did not expect 18.0-0-0 and had evaluation of 0.00
>
>Can Fritz7a find 18.0-0-0 in it's main line at move 17 after enough time
>
>Not that black has no good alternative to 17...Qe5
>
>Here is yace analysis after learning that 17...Qe5 is bad
>and Deep Fritz anaysis on p800(48 mbytes hash) when it has no problem to expect
>0-0-0 and see that white has a big advanatge after 17...Qe5
>The problem was clearly before 17...Qe5 but it is possible that the castling bug
>prevented Deep Fritz to play better in previous moves
>
>Shredder 6_Dual - Fritz 7a
>[D]r1b2br1/pp1n3p/2p2n2/2q3k1/PP1pPNP1/5Q2/3B1P2/R3K2R b KQ b3 0 1
>
>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>
>17...Qxb4 18.Bxb4 Bxb4+ 19.Kd1
>  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>17...Qc2
>  -+  (-5.38)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>17...Qc2
>  -+  (-5.38)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>17...Ne5
>  -+  (-5.44)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>17...Ne5 18.Nd3+ Kg6 19.Qxf6+ Kxf6 20.Nxc5
>  -+  (-4.99)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>17...Ne5 18.Nd5+ Kg6 19.Qxf6#
>  -+  (-1.56)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>17...Ne5 18.Nd5+ Kg6
>  +-  (#2)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+
>  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>17...Qc2 18.Nd5+ Kg6
>  -+  (-4.95)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Kd3
>  -+  (-3.15)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0
>  -+  (-3.16)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>17...Qd6 18.Ne6+ Kg6 19.Qf5+ Kf7 20.Rxh7+ Ke8
>  -+  (-4.47)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0 Rg6 19.Nxg6+ Qf4
>  -+  (-4.07)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0 Nc5 19.Ne6+ Kg6 20.Nxc5 Nxe4
>  -+  (-3.03)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0 b6 19.Rh5+ Nxh5 20.Nxh5+ Kh4 21.Rh1+ Qh2 22.Rxh2#
>  +-  (2.00)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0 Qxf4 19.Bxf4+ Kg6 20.g5
>  +-  (3.05)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>17...Qc2 18.Ng2+ Kg6 19.Nh4+ Kf7 20.Qc3
>  +-  (3.03)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Ke2 Ne5
>  -+  (-3.43)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>17...Qc2 18.Nd3+ Kg6 19.g5 Kg7 20.gxf6+ Nxf6
>  -+  (-3.12)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  175kN
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Qh1+ Kg4
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  225kN
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Qh1+ Kg4 23.Qg2+
>Kh4 24.Qh1+ Kg4
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6   00:00:01  310kN
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Bg5+ Rxg5 23.Qxg5+
>Kh3 24.Nf4+ Nxf4 25.Qg3#
>  +-  (#8)   Depth: 7   00:00:02  690kN
>17...Qxb4 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Nxd4 Rxg2 23.Nf5+
>Kh3 24.Ra3+ Qxa3 25.Bh6
>  +-  (#9)   Depth: 7   00:00:10  5056kN
>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Qf5+ Kh6 21.e5 Kg7 22.exf6+ Nxf6 23.Qg5+
>Kf7 24.Ne5+ Ke7
>  ±  (1.29)   Depth: 7   00:00:20  8721kN
>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Rag1 Kg6 21.g5 Kf7 22.gxf6 Bh6+ 23.Ke1
>Rxg1+ 24.Rxg1 Nxf6
>  +-  (1.43)   Depth: 8   00:00:38  15593kN
>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Rag1 Kg6 21.g5 Nxe4+ 22.Qxe4+ Kf7 23.Rxh5
>Rg7
>  +-  (1.83)   Depth: 9   00:00:42  16930kN
>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Rag1 Kh6 21.e5 Be7 22.Qf4+ Kh7 23.exf6
>Nxf6
>  +-  (2.27)   Depth: 9   00:01:44  43083kN
>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Qf5+ Kh6 21.Ne5 Bb4+ 22.Kd1 Kg7 23.g5 Kf8
>24.Nxd7+ Kg7 25.gxf6+ Kh8
>  +-  (2.67)   Depth: 10   00:02:30  56385kN
>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Qf5+ Kh6 21.Ne5 Bb4+ 22.Kc1 Rxg4 23.Nxg4+
>Kg7 24.Nxf6 Nxf6 25.Rg1+ Kf7
>  +-  (2.94)   Depth: 10   00:06:06  144098kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 06.01.2002)
>
>Shredder 6_Dual - Fritz 7a
>r1b2br1/pp1n3p/2p2n2/2q3k1/PP1pPNP1/5Q2/3B1P2/R3K2R b KQ b3 0 1
>
>Analysis by Deep Fritz:
>
>17...Nxe4--
>  -+  (-2.69)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
>17...Nxe4-- 18.Ne6+ Kg6
>  +-  (5.84)   Depth: 1/15   00:00:00
>17...Qxb4!
>  +-  (5.81)   Depth: 1/15   00:00:00
>17...Qxb4! 18.Ne6+ Kg6
>  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 1/15   00:00:00
>17...Qe7!
>  µ  (-1.03)   Depth: 1/15   00:00:00
>17...Qe7!
>  -+  (-5.31)   Depth: 1/15   00:00:00
>17...Qe7--
>  -+  (-2.47)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>17...Qe7-- 18.Nd5+ Kg6 19.Nxe7+ Bxe7
>  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>17...Qc4!
>  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>17...Qc4! 18.Rc1
>  -+  (-5.22)   Depth: 2/9   00:00:00  1kN
>17...Qc4--
>  -+  (-4.88)   Depth: 3/18   00:00:00  2kN
>17...Qc4-- 18.e5 Bxb4 19.exf6
>  -+  (-4.25)   Depth: 3/18   00:00:00  4kN
>17...Qc2!
>  -+  (-4.28)   Depth: 3/18   00:00:00  5kN
>17...Qc2! 18.Ne6+ Kg6 19.Qf5+ Kf7
>  -+  (-5.19)   Depth: 3/18   00:00:00  6kN
>17...Qc2--
>  -+  (-4.78)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  7kN
>17...Qc2-- 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2
>  -+  (-2.56)   Depth: 4/20   00:00:00  11kN
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Kd1
>  -+  (-2.56)   Depth: 5/23   00:00:00  29kN
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Kd1
>  -+  (-2.56)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  65kN
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Kd1 Rd8
>  -+  (-2.78)   Depth: 7/30   00:00:00  181kN
>17...Qc2--
>  -+  (-2.31)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:00  230kN
>17...Qc2-- 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg1+ Kh4
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8/34   00:00:01  807kN
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg1+ Kh4 22.Qh1+ Kg4 23.Qg1+
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9/33   00:00:03  2086kN
>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg1+ Kh4 22.Qh1+ Kg4 23.Qg1+
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:06  4614kN
>17...Qc2--
>  +-  (#10)   Depth: 11/33   00:00:09  6278kN
>17...Qc2-- 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Bg5+ Rxg5
>23.Qxg5+
>  +-  (#8)   Depth: 11/33   00:00:12  8865kN
>17...Qd6!
>  +-  (#9)   Depth: 11/36   00:00:24  18632kN
>17...Bd6!
>  +-  (28.47)   Depth: 11/38   00:00:32  26457kN
>17...Bd6! 18.bxc5 Bxf4 19.Qxf4+ Kg6 20.g5 Rh8 21.gxf6 Kf7 22.e5 Nxc5 23.Qxd4
>  +-  (6.97)   Depth: 11/40   00:00:53  40317kN
>17...Qe5!
>  +-  (6.94)   Depth: 11/40   00:01:03  47705kN
>17...Qe5! 18.0-0-0 h6 19.Qg3 Qxf4 20.Qxf4+ Kg6 21.e5 Nxe5 22.Qxe5 Bxg4
>  ±  (1.31)   Depth: 11/40   00:02:03  88978kN
>17...Qe5 18.0-0-0 h6 19.Qg3 Qxf4 20.Bxf4+ Kg6 21.e5 Nd5 22.e6 Nxf4
>  +-  (1.50)   Depth: 12/36   00:02:49  122082kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 06.01.2002)
>
>Uri

Yes i too suspected the 0-0-0 bug in Fritz 7a to be a problem here, but if you
look at Shredder's eval from 9.Bxf7 it is already ahead by a healthy +1.71 and i
suspect that the casteling bug aside Shredder have a better understanding of
this kind of position.

Regards
Jonas



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