Author: Jonas Cohonas
Date: 05:37:31 01/06/02
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On January 06, 2002 at 08:26:12, Sune Larsson wrote:
>On January 06, 2002 at 07:55:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 05, 2002 at 23:47:31, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>
>>>At the moment Shredder 6_ Dual is leading 5.0-2.0 with no losses so far, this
>>>is game 7 which i found to be especially good!
>>>Check out the difference in evals in the beginning of the game.
>>>
>>>[Event "Dual_Shredder6-1"]
>>>[Site "Dual MP 1600+"]
>>>[Date "2002.01.06"]
>>>[Round "7.1"]
>>>[White "Shredder 6"]
>>>[Black "Fritz 7"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ECO "D16"]
>>>[PlyCount "94"]
>>>[EventDate "2002.01.05"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 {0} 1... d5 {0} 2. Nf3 {0} 2... Nf6 {0} 3. c4 {0} 3... c6 {0} 4. Nc3 {0}
>>>4... dxc4 {0} 5. a4 {0} 5... Nbd7 {0} 6. e4 {0.61/14 93} 6... Qa5 {0.25/13 82}
>>>7. Bd2 {0.83/13 45} 7... e5 {(e6) 0.03/13 53} 8. Bxc4 {0.57/13 105} 8... exd4 {
>>>(Bb4) 0.00/13 102} 9. Bxf7+ {1.71/12 70} 9... Kxf7 {0.00/13 55} 10. Ng5+ {
>>>1.69/12 148} 10... Kg6 {(Qxg5) 0.00/14 268} 11. Nd5 {2.02/12 147} 11... Qc5 {
>>>(Qxd2+) 0.00/12 73} 12. Nf4+ {(h4) 2.29/11 53} 12... Kxg5 {-0.10/12 96} 13. h4+
>>>{2.33/11 116} 13... Kh6 {-0.22/9 1} 14. g4 {2.33/11 112} 14... g5 {1.15/12 49}
>>>15. hxg5+ {2.09/10 14} 15... Kxg5 {1.31/12 58} 16. Qf3 {2.77/11 60} 16... Rg8 {
>>>0.90/11 71} 17. b4 {(Ne6+) 2.82/10 213} 17... Qe5 {(Nxg4) 0.00/12 68} 18. O-O-O
>>>{(Rh5+) 4.21/10 40}
>>
>>I suspect a big catling bug by Fritz7
>
>
> I think you are correct since many people have reported that
> Fritz 7/7a has a severe castling bug. Buggy products, a bad winboard
> adapter and now even buggy engines from ChessBase. Looks like they
> just throw the stuff out on the market on fixed times - no matter
> if the product is ready or not... And just you try to get support or
> an answer from your complaints...The respect from Chessbase shown to
> their customers is close to zero. If you are thinking of buying their
> products be aware of what you are facing. There are a lot of alternatives.
> For databasing Chess Assistent and the excellent free SCID. About support -
> just compare ChessBase with the respones from Rebel/Ed Schröder,
> Chess Tiger/Christophe Theron and Chessmaster/John Merlino.
>
> Sune
I think this game was lost for Fritz 7a long before the casteling bug was even
an issue, not that it makes the bug look any prettier...
Regards
Jonas
>
>>
>>Fritz7a did not expect 18.0-0-0 and had evaluation of 0.00
>>
>>Can Fritz7a find 18.0-0-0 in it's main line at move 17 after enough time
>>
>>Not that black has no good alternative to 17...Qe5
>>
>>Here is yace analysis after learning that 17...Qe5 is bad
>>and Deep Fritz anaysis on p800(48 mbytes hash) when it has no problem to expect
>>0-0-0 and see that white has a big advanatge after 17...Qe5
>>The problem was clearly before 17...Qe5 but it is possible that the castling bug
>>prevented Deep Fritz to play better in previous moves
>>
>>Shredder 6_Dual - Fritz 7a
>>[D]r1b2br1/pp1n3p/2p2n2/2q3k1/PP1pPNP1/5Q2/3B1P2/R3K2R b KQ b3 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>>
>>17...Qxb4 18.Bxb4 Bxb4+ 19.Kd1
>> µ (-0.88) Depth: 1 00:00:00
>>17...Qc2
>> -+ (-5.38) Depth: 1 00:00:00
>>17...Qc2
>> -+ (-5.38) Depth: 1 00:00:00
>>17...Ne5
>> -+ (-5.44) Depth: 1 00:00:00
>>17...Ne5 18.Nd3+ Kg6 19.Qxf6+ Kxf6 20.Nxc5
>> -+ (-4.99) Depth: 2 00:00:00
>>17...Ne5 18.Nd5+ Kg6 19.Qxf6#
>> -+ (-1.56) Depth: 2 00:00:00
>>17...Ne5 18.Nd5+ Kg6
>> +- (#2) Depth: 2 00:00:00
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+
>> ² (0.37) Depth: 2 00:00:00
>>17...Qc2 18.Nd5+ Kg6
>> -+ (-4.95) Depth: 2 00:00:00
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Kd3
>> -+ (-3.15) Depth: 3 00:00:00
>>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0
>> -+ (-3.16) Depth: 3 00:00:00
>>17...Qd6 18.Ne6+ Kg6 19.Qf5+ Kf7 20.Rxh7+ Ke8
>> -+ (-4.47) Depth: 3 00:00:00
>>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0 Rg6 19.Nxg6+ Qf4
>> -+ (-4.07) Depth: 4 00:00:00
>>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0 Nc5 19.Ne6+ Kg6 20.Nxc5 Nxe4
>> -+ (-3.03) Depth: 4 00:00:00
>>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0 b6 19.Rh5+ Nxh5 20.Nxh5+ Kh4 21.Rh1+ Qh2 22.Rxh2#
>> +- (2.00) Depth: 4 00:00:00
>>17...Qd6 18.0-0-0 Qxf4 19.Bxf4+ Kg6 20.g5
>> +- (3.05) Depth: 4 00:00:00
>>17...Qc2 18.Ng2+ Kg6 19.Nh4+ Kf7 20.Qc3
>> +- (3.03) Depth: 4 00:00:00
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Ke2 Ne5
>> -+ (-3.43) Depth: 4 00:00:00
>>17...Qc2 18.Nd3+ Kg6 19.g5 Kg7 20.gxf6+ Nxf6
>> -+ (-3.12) Depth: 5 00:00:00 175kN
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Qh1+ Kg4
>> = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 225kN
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Qh1+ Kg4 23.Qg2+
>>Kh4 24.Qh1+ Kg4
>> = (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:01 310kN
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Bg5+ Rxg5 23.Qxg5+
>>Kh3 24.Nf4+ Nxf4 25.Qg3#
>> +- (#8) Depth: 7 00:00:02 690kN
>>17...Qxb4 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Nxd4 Rxg2 23.Nf5+
>>Kh3 24.Ra3+ Qxa3 25.Bh6
>> +- (#9) Depth: 7 00:00:10 5056kN
>>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Qf5+ Kh6 21.e5 Kg7 22.exf6+ Nxf6 23.Qg5+
>>Kf7 24.Ne5+ Ke7
>> ± (1.29) Depth: 7 00:00:20 8721kN
>>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Rag1 Kg6 21.g5 Kf7 22.gxf6 Bh6+ 23.Ke1
>>Rxg1+ 24.Rxg1 Nxf6
>> +- (1.43) Depth: 8 00:00:38 15593kN
>>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Rag1 Kg6 21.g5 Nxe4+ 22.Qxe4+ Kf7 23.Rxh5
>>Rg7
>> +- (1.83) Depth: 9 00:00:42 16930kN
>>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Rag1 Kh6 21.e5 Be7 22.Qf4+ Kh7 23.exf6
>>Nxf6
>> +- (2.27) Depth: 9 00:01:44 43083kN
>>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Qf5+ Kh6 21.Ne5 Bb4+ 22.Kd1 Kg7 23.g5 Kf8
>>24.Nxd7+ Kg7 25.gxf6+ Kh8
>> +- (2.67) Depth: 10 00:02:30 56385kN
>>17...Qxb4 18.Nd3+ Qxd2+ 19.Kxd2 h5 20.Qf5+ Kh6 21.Ne5 Bb4+ 22.Kc1 Rxg4 23.Nxg4+
>>Kg7 24.Nxf6 Nxf6 25.Rg1+ Kf7
>> +- (2.94) Depth: 10 00:06:06 144098kN
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 06.01.2002)
>>
>>Shredder 6_Dual - Fritz 7a
>>r1b2br1/pp1n3p/2p2n2/2q3k1/PP1pPNP1/5Q2/3B1P2/R3K2R b KQ b3 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Deep Fritz:
>>
>>17...Nxe4--
>> -+ (-2.69) Depth: 1/3 00:00:00
>>17...Nxe4-- 18.Ne6+ Kg6
>> +- (5.84) Depth: 1/15 00:00:00
>>17...Qxb4!
>> +- (5.81) Depth: 1/15 00:00:00
>>17...Qxb4! 18.Ne6+ Kg6
>> ³ (-0.44) Depth: 1/15 00:00:00
>>17...Qe7!
>> µ (-1.03) Depth: 1/15 00:00:00
>>17...Qe7!
>> -+ (-5.31) Depth: 1/15 00:00:00
>>17...Qe7--
>> -+ (-2.47) Depth: 2/8 00:00:00
>>17...Qe7-- 18.Nd5+ Kg6 19.Nxe7+ Bxe7
>> ² (0.34) Depth: 2/8 00:00:00
>>17...Qc4!
>> µ (-0.94) Depth: 2/8 00:00:00
>>17...Qc4! 18.Rc1
>> -+ (-5.22) Depth: 2/9 00:00:00 1kN
>>17...Qc4--
>> -+ (-4.88) Depth: 3/18 00:00:00 2kN
>>17...Qc4-- 18.e5 Bxb4 19.exf6
>> -+ (-4.25) Depth: 3/18 00:00:00 4kN
>>17...Qc2!
>> -+ (-4.28) Depth: 3/18 00:00:00 5kN
>>17...Qc2! 18.Ne6+ Kg6 19.Qf5+ Kf7
>> -+ (-5.19) Depth: 3/18 00:00:00 6kN
>>17...Qc2--
>> -+ (-4.78) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 7kN
>>17...Qc2-- 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2
>> -+ (-2.56) Depth: 4/20 00:00:00 11kN
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Kd1
>> -+ (-2.56) Depth: 5/23 00:00:00 29kN
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Kd1
>> -+ (-2.56) Depth: 6/24 00:00:00 65kN
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Nxh5+ Qxd2+ 20.Kxd2 Bxb4+ 21.Kd1 Rd8
>> -+ (-2.78) Depth: 7/30 00:00:00 181kN
>>17...Qc2--
>> -+ (-2.31) Depth: 8/24 00:00:00 230kN
>>17...Qc2-- 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg1+ Kh4
>> = (0.00) Depth: 8/34 00:00:01 807kN
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg1+ Kh4 22.Qh1+ Kg4 23.Qg1+
>> = (0.00) Depth: 9/33 00:00:03 2086kN
>>17...Qc2 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg1+ Kh4 22.Qh1+ Kg4 23.Qg1+
>> = (0.00) Depth: 10/34 00:00:06 4614kN
>>17...Qc2--
>> +- (#10) Depth: 11/33 00:00:09 6278kN
>>17...Qc2-- 18.Rh5+ Nxh5 19.Ne6+ Kh4 20.Qh1+ Kxg4 21.Qg2+ Kh4 22.Bg5+ Rxg5
>>23.Qxg5+
>> +- (#8) Depth: 11/33 00:00:12 8865kN
>>17...Qd6!
>> +- (#9) Depth: 11/36 00:00:24 18632kN
>>17...Bd6!
>> +- (28.47) Depth: 11/38 00:00:32 26457kN
>>17...Bd6! 18.bxc5 Bxf4 19.Qxf4+ Kg6 20.g5 Rh8 21.gxf6 Kf7 22.e5 Nxc5 23.Qxd4
>> +- (6.97) Depth: 11/40 00:00:53 40317kN
>>17...Qe5!
>> +- (6.94) Depth: 11/40 00:01:03 47705kN
>>17...Qe5! 18.0-0-0 h6 19.Qg3 Qxf4 20.Qxf4+ Kg6 21.e5 Nxe5 22.Qxe5 Bxg4
>> ± (1.31) Depth: 11/40 00:02:03 88978kN
>>17...Qe5 18.0-0-0 h6 19.Qg3 Qxf4 20.Bxf4+ Kg6 21.e5 Nd5 22.e6 Nxf4
>> +- (1.50) Depth: 12/36 00:02:49 122082kN
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 06.01.2002)
>>
>>Uri
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