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Subject: Re: Shredder 6_Dual v Fritz 7a Brilliant game, take a look

Author: Sune Larsson

Date: 07:54:36 01/06/02

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On January 06, 2002 at 10:26:12, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 06, 2002 at 09:54:20, Sune Larsson wrote:
>
>>On January 06, 2002 at 08:39:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On January 06, 2002 at 08:26:12, Sune Larsson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 06, 2002 at 07:55:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 05, 2002 at 23:47:31, Jonas Cohonas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>At the moment Shredder 6_ Dual is leading 5.0-2.0 with no losses so far, this
>>>>>>is game 7 which i found to be especially good!
>>>>>>Check out the difference in evals in the beginning of the game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event "Dual_Shredder6-1"]
>>>>>>[Site "Dual MP 1600+"]
>>>>>>[Date "2002.01.06"]
>>>>>>[Round "7.1"]
>>>>>>[White "Shredder 6"]
>>>>>>[Black "Fritz 7"]
>>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>>[ECO "D16"]
>>>>>>[PlyCount "94"]
>>>>>>[EventDate "2002.01.05"]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. d4 {0} 1... d5 {0} 2. Nf3 {0} 2... Nf6 {0} 3. c4 {0} 3... c6 {0} 4. Nc3 {0}
>>>>>>4... dxc4 {0} 5. a4 {0} 5... Nbd7 {0} 6. e4 {0.61/14 93} 6... Qa5 {0.25/13 82}
>>>>>>7. Bd2 {0.83/13 45} 7... e5 {(e6) 0.03/13 53} 8. Bxc4 {0.57/13 105} 8... exd4 {
>>>>>>(Bb4) 0.00/13 102} 9. Bxf7+ {1.71/12 70} 9... Kxf7 {0.00/13 55} 10. Ng5+ {
>>>>>>1.69/12 148} 10... Kg6 {(Qxg5) 0.00/14 268} 11. Nd5 {2.02/12 147} 11... Qc5 {
>>>>>>(Qxd2+) 0.00/12 73} 12. Nf4+ {(h4) 2.29/11 53} 12... Kxg5 {-0.10/12 96} 13. h4+
>>>>>>{2.33/11 116} 13... Kh6 {-0.22/9 1} 14. g4 {2.33/11 112} 14... g5 {1.15/12 49}
>>>>>>15. hxg5+ {2.09/10 14} 15... Kxg5 {1.31/12 58} 16. Qf3 {2.77/11 60} 16... Rg8 {
>>>>>>0.90/11 71} 17. b4 {(Ne6+) 2.82/10 213} 17... Qe5 {(Nxg4) 0.00/12 68} 18. O-O-O
>>>>>>{(Rh5+) 4.21/10 40}
>>>>>
>>>>>I suspect a big catling bug by Fritz7
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I think you are correct since many people have reported that
>>>>  Fritz 7/7a has a severe castling bug. Buggy products, a bad winboard
>>>>  adapter and now even buggy engines from ChessBase. Looks like they
>>>>  just throw the stuff out on the market on fixed times - no matter
>>>>  if the product is ready or not... And just you try to get support or
>>>>  an answer from your complaints...The respect from Chessbase shown to
>>>>  their customers is close to zero.
>>> If you are thinking of buying their
>>>>  products be aware of what you are facing.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I disagree here.
>>>Chessbase is a good company
>>
>>
>>  Does your disagreement spring from own experience or is it just a
>>  blindfolded one, Uri? Some questions for you:
>>
>>  1) Do you have and regularly use CB 8 for databasing ?
>
>no
>I have not chessbase8
>>
>>  2) Do you have and regularly use the Fritz 7 GUI ?
>
>No
>
>>
>>  3) Have you tested and tried WinBoard engines under any
>>     Fritz interface?
>
>Yes
>
>> If so, did you notice that Fritz sends a
>>     "new" command to the engine on every move? Therebye clearing
>>     the hash memory. Have you noticed that the Fritz WB adapter
>>     kills the WB engines ponder function, after a short while?
>
>I usually use winboard engines to analyze positions so pondering and the new
>commands are not important.
>
>I did not buy Fritz for the winboard engines and the possibility to use winboard
>engines was an unexpected bonus.
>>
>>  4) Do you follow and read the German chess foras and the heavy
>>     critics from a multitude dissatisfied customers?
>
>No
>>
>>  5) Do you follow and read other English spoken chess foras, like
>>     RGCC?
>
>No
>>
>>  6) Have you ever tried to reach the ChessBase support with some
>>     complaints? If yes, did you get a response? If yes the second time -
>>     then you must be born under a lucky star, cause you just won the
>>     monthly CB lottery.
>>
>>
>>  Sune
>
>In part of the cases I got a response.
>
>Uri


 No further questions... ;-)

 Sune



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