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Subject: Re: Overclock

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 04:14:28 01/07/02

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On January 07, 2002 at 01:11:39, Aaron Gordon wrote:

At single cpu systems for hobby computers definitely
overclocking is something one could try (if you have watercooling
or other liquid cooling), but how do you plan to overclock
a dual system?

I have Tyan S2462 and 2 cpu's 1.2Ghz. That's 2.4Ghz whatever you say.

MP processors are incredible expensive in netherlands. the 1.6Ghz one
is like $400 here a piece (and still you have to wait a month for it
to get delivered).

But 2x1.2Ghz is in Ghz always more than 1x1.2Ghz overclocked of course.

I looked into watercooling but it's not so cheap and easy as some say it
is.

I need a 12 centimeters fan for example. A big radiator, 2 real expensive
socket-A copper things. pipes, space, watertanks (2 of them or a real big
one). And i need to be real good in installing it too. All together
to overclock with watercooling $1000 perhaps?

>Instead of spending tons of money just do a little research in overclocking. If
>you know what to look for you can find the right CPU that will do much more than
>it's rated AND have it last for quite some time. My past overclocking
>experiences included a Celeron 300a @ 644mhz, Celeron 366 @ 735mhz, Celeron-2
>566 @ 1202MHz, Thunderbird 1Ghz at 1.7Ghz and this Athlon XP 1900+ 1.6Ghz @
>1.81GHz (will get more out of this 1900+ soon).
>
>When I say look for the right stuff I'm mainly talking about cpu steppings or
>some type of marking on the CPU itself. Currently for Thunderbirds the best
>stepping is "AYHJA". The second best is "AXIA". With a few tools you can take an
>ordinary 1Ghz Tbird and have it beat a stock 1900+. AYHJA's are superb as they
>run 20% cooler mhz for mhz than any of the other Thunderbird cpu's. All 1.4Ghz
>Thunderbirds are AYHJA's. It's just a hit/miss between AXIA/AYHJA now days on
>the 1Ghz, 1.2, & 1.33Ghz (all C models). Here is a good way to get started. Take
>an Epox 8KHA+ for $100, a 1Ghz AXIA or AYHJA Thunderbird for $70, 256mb stick of
>PC2100 DDR for $50, $30 for a Thermalright SK6 (0.14c/w) with a 40cfm 60mm fan
>and 50 cents for a pack of 220k ohm 1/4 watt resistors.
>
>Stock the system may not look like much.. but both the AXIA & AYHJA pack some
>power. The AXIA normally does 1.5GHz at default voltage, 1.6-1.65ghz w/ the
>voltage mod. AYHJA does 1.6Ghz w/ default voltage, 1.7-1.75Ghz w/ a voltage mod.
>For $429.50 you can build a good overclocking 'base'. With what I have mentioned
>you could run 1.7GHz after the voltage modification (with pomona clips you don't
>even need to solder!). Later on when the various Athlon XP chips get cheaper
>guess what? Slap in a 2000+ or whatnot and push it up towards 1.9GHz w/ the volt
>mod. Beats spending $3000 for a top of the line system but having a motherboard
>that can't overclock for crap and thus wastes your cpu's potential.
>
>If you're wondering about dangers to the chip itself.. don't. If you're using
>good heatsink compound (Arctic silver, Arctic Silver 2, Arctic Alumina, & the
>Metal tube (not plastic) Radio shack compound) with the SK6 (or similar, 0.14c/w
>or lower) you won't have problems with CPU failure. The damage is due to
>electromigration.. and that is accelerated by heat. If you keep your CPU cool
>even overclocked beyond belief it will last a long, long while. An Intel
>engineer told me once that for every 10C a cpu is dropped the lifespan is
>doubled. I had the formula but unfortunately I forgot it. Perhaps one of you
>guys in here knows it.. Anyway. Even if you run a 1Ghz AYHJA which basically has
>a 1.6Ghz core (just marked as 1.0, 1.2, 1.33, 1.4, whatever) at 1.75Ghz, 2.2v at
>35-40C full load it should last longer than someone with some cramped pre-built
>company computer with a subpar heatsink/fan that lets the CPU run idle at 60C.
>
>If anyone has any questions/comments reguarding this post feel free to email me
>(as I'm sure it will lead to non-chess related stuff). I updated my email
>address to a working one.. so anyone in the past thats tried to email me feel
>free to do so (as I will finally see it:).



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