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Subject: Re: The answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind...

Author: Terry Ripple

Date: 23:00:23 01/08/02

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On January 09, 2002 at 01:42:59, Harald Faber wrote:

>On January 09, 2002 at 01:00:47, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>Chess Tiger solves this instantly showing a draw with White to move. Interesting
>>that my Hiarcs 7.32 can't solve it and they both are using the 5 man
>>Namilov bases. Hiarcs shows a score of 1.16 after thinking 10 min. but Tiger
>>will move instantly and shows a draw 0.00
>
>
>
>OK, this time I will save my answer as txt-file...:
>If you use ALL 5-man TBs you get the correct result and move. Are one or more
>important 5-man missing for the "dubious" position, strange things occur and the
>program's endgame handling is incorrect.
>
>In this case you should look your TB directory up for kppkp.nbw.emd and
>kppkp.nbb.emd. They seem to be missing.
>Here on my machine with ALL 5-man nor problem.
>-----------------------------------------------

Hi Harald,
Those were the first files i checked and they are there. My Chess Tiger 14
solves this solutin with an instant response of 0.00 (draw) but like i stated my
Hiarcs 7,32 don't solve it instantly and after 10 min. it thinks the position is
a small plus for white showing 1.16, but perhaps if i were using a faster CPU
than what i'am using (AMD 266Mhz with 64 Ram) it might find it much sooner. I
once again tried this position for about 20 min. and it still won't show a dead
draw (0.00) and it just keeps on thinking. I believe that the answer to my
problem is exactly as Mr. Walker explained as my Tiger 14.0 always finds the 5
man problems instantly and this isn't the case with my Hiarcs7,32.

PS. Please note that my Hiarcs7.32 does find most of the 5 man problems i give
it to solve and that this problem seems to be with certain positions with 5 man
that are draws!

Best regards,
Terry
>
>
>>I checked to make sure Hiarcs has endgame databases checked and the ini.file
>>shows the correct path. Please note that Hiarcs does solve most of the 5 man
>>problems but there are a few problems like this one when there is a draw
>>involved, then Hiarcs will just keep thinking on the position when it is a dead
>>draw and it don't show 0.00 after thinking over 10 min.
>>
>>Why does my Hiarcs act this way? Do any of you have similiar problems with your
>>Hiarcs?
>>
>>Sorry i didn't post a diagram as this is my first time and didnt bother to find
>>out how it's done as i was pressed for time at the moment. Maybe someone would
>>be kind and describe how to post a chess diagram, i would appreciate it very
>>much! I posted the Fen and the ASCII.
>>
>>Thankyou in advance for any help to my problem with Hiarcs 7.32!
>>
>>PS. For those who can't read the Fen, it's White to move and draw.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Terry
>>
>>
>[D]2k5/8/8/2p5/2P5/3P4/2K5/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>wKc2,Pc4,d3/bKc8,Pc5



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