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Subject: Re: the empire strikes back

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 14:12:11 01/09/02

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On January 09, 2002 at 05:49:35, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On January 08, 2002 at 17:30:37, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On January 07, 2002 at 16:00:58, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>On January 07, 2002 at 12:53:17, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>
>>>>i'm afraid that amd may lose all the goodwill they have earned so far unless
>>>>they get their act together real soon
>>>
>>>Funny, I've been (and still am) thinking the same of Intel
>>>for quite a while.
>>>
>>>The P4 is garbage from a technical point of view, and
>>>their current Itaniums seem to be too, based on the benchmarks
>>>we have seen so far. Their only hope is to keep pushing up
>>>the clockspeed as high as they can, but the design has limits
>>>*somewhere*, as the original P3 at 1.13Ghz showed (totall recall
>>>due to instabily).
>>>
>>>When are they going to come with a _new_ CPU with a design
>>>that is _better_ than that of the Pentium Pro?
>>
>>Uhh, you seem a little confused. You apparently understand that the P3 (PPro) is
>>limited to ~1GHz at 0.18 um, and then imply that the P4 is not better? The P4
>>runs at 2GHz with the same process and I have yet to see a benchmark where the
>>2GHz P4 doesn't outperform the 1GHz P3.
>
>I'm talking from a technical point of view, about the _design_.
>
>Yes, the thing runs at faster clockspeeds, but the design is all
>but impressive. Put a 1Ghz P4 vs a 1Ghz P3 and you will see what
>I mean. It's like taking a step back.
>
>It's faster only because of the clockspeed. Granted, that is made
>possible by the silly design, but it doesn't make it any nicer,
>especially compared vs the Athlons.

To rearrange your wording, the P4's design allows it to reach higher clockspeeds
which results in faster performance. Again, how is this "silly"?

Do you want a chip that performs well or one that clocks slow? Seems like you're
asking for the latter.

-Tom



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