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Subject: Re: the empire strikes back

Author: Gian-Carlo Pascutto

Date: 03:09:04 01/10/02

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On January 10, 2002 at 06:05:42, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On January 10, 2002 at 05:45:23, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On January 10, 2002 at 05:37:00, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>
>>>On January 10, 2002 at 03:07:44, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 10, 2002 at 02:59:03, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 07, 2002 at 16:00:58, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 07, 2002 at 12:53:17, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i'm afraid that amd may lose all the goodwill they have earned so far unless
>>>>>>>they get their act together real soon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Funny, I've been (and still am) thinking the same of Intel
>>>>>>for quite a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The P4 is garbage from a technical point of view, and
>>>>>>their current Itaniums seem to be too, based on the benchmarks
>>>>>>we have seen so far. Their only hope is to keep pushing up
>>>>>>the clockspeed as high as they can, but the design has limits
>>>>>>*somewhere*, as the original P3 at 1.13Ghz showed (totall recall
>>>>>>due to instabily).
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/23593.html
>>>>
>>>>Please read what I wrote. I said the _original_ P3.
>>>
>>>Please read what you wrote. You said, "..., but the design has limits
>>>*somewhere*, as the original P3 at 1.13Ghz showed..."
>>
>>Right. So with smaller process technology, it can go a bit higher,
>>but it's still limited.
>
>Limited? I require proof to accept such a statement. Have you seen such proof or
>are you guessing?
>
>I know what you are saying has been alleged in many places on the internet, but
>I have yet to read an explanation (much less see a proof) of how that can be so.
>It's counter-intuitive and therefore requires compelling evidence.

A good indication (not proof) would be that so far all CPU's Intel produced have
reached a platform above which they got unstable. That platform can be upped by
smaller process technology. But you cannot keep decreasing process technology,
as there is a lower limit there. (single atoms sounds like a good lower bound)

--
GCP



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