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Subject: Re: the empire strikes back

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 14:09:24 01/10/02

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On January 10, 2002 at 05:53:25, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On January 10, 2002 at 05:07:37, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>It's the first x86 chip to have a trace cache.
>Hardly impressive, crippled as implemented, minor extensions of
>a known theme.

What about the P4's trace cache is crippled? And what is it a minor extension
of? Trace caches, AFAIK, have only been used in extremely obscure VLIW computers
that existed more than a decade ago.

>>Its branch predictor is probably the best ever made
>>by anybody.
>Again, minor extension of a known theme. They also had no
>choice given the pipeline.

If your job was to make branch predictors, I don't think you'd be saying that.
You might as well say the entire P4 design is a minor extension of a known
theme, the theme being microprocessors.

>>It has SMT logic (although not enabled currently).
>Nothing new in that, and as you say, it's not even enabled.

How is that nothing new?? What other processors have SMT, besides that one
super-obscure mainframe processor that isn't being made anymore and that I
forgot the name of?

>>Besides, how do you know it's even possible to make a smarter chip than the P3?
>Even Intel seems to think so given the Itanium. The first benchmarks
>weren't exactly encouraging though. I hope that improves with the next
>generations soon.

The Itanium doesn't get higher ILP from x86 code. Apples and oranges.

-Tom



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