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Subject: Re: Blue Storm

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 19:05:54 01/10/02

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On January 10, 2002 at 10:33:37, Brian Richardson wrote:

>On January 10, 2002 at 07:48:26, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/industry/12/24/ibm.bluestorm.idg/index.html
>>
>>For the record, Blue Storm will contain 1.5PB (petabytes) of data by 2004, equal
>>to 75,000 20GB PCs. And it will crunch 20 trillion calculations per second,
>>meaning that if this reporter used a hand-held calculator to race Blue Storm to
>>20 trillion calculations, I would be running behind by 17 million years,
>>according to IBM.
>>
>>Also, chess players be warned, Blue Storm at its apex, will be 1,700 times
>>faster than Deep Blue, the super computer that beat chess champion Garry
>>Kasparov, IBM officials said.
>
>There are many ways to measure "speed".  While I have not looked at it in detail
>yet, I doubt that it will be 1,700 faster than DB for chess.  However, it is
>interesting since the basic node is the p690, which can have up to 32 way SMP
>(1.3GHz).  There are many configuration options utilizing IBM's Power4 CPUs,
>some with shared L2 cache (Power4 enables 2way on chip SMP), some with dedicated
>L2 and only one CPU per chip.  They are packaged in MCM modules (much like
>mainframes), and each module has L3 and memory speed about 13GB/sec (to up to
>256GB of memory).  Thus each node is pretty much shared memory.  Then you have
>to look at clustering, and it is unlear how many nodes will be supported.

running on one node is cool thing, but more than one node then also
gigabytes of data a second is not enough for communication speed.

you can get of course a great speedup on a single node, but that's it
simply. then speedup stops. The latency for communication between
the nodes is going to be just *too* slow.

32 x 1.3 Ghz is real interesting. Then we of course do not know
what such a processor is. Usually it is slower than PC processors are
for chess.

Is there any crafty benchmark about these processors?

If not it's probably a processor in IBMs dreams :)

Any URL to technical documentation about the processor, if i would
guess now i would guess it to be P2 speed at 1.3Ghz and not K7 speed...

Nevertheless 32 x 1.3Ghz with shared memory is going to give a decent
speedup if all the 32 processors have SHARED memory with all the
processors.

Estimating the price of a 32 shared memory 1.3Ghz node is pretty hard
though, so is delivery time.

At the time it gets delivered we already have a dual 5 Ghz or something
available at the stores?

32 x 1.3Ghz sounds a lot less impressive then :)



>>
>>============
>>
>>I am sold, have ordered the thing with my VISA card.
>>
>>Anxious waiting for delivery, start porting Rebel, increase the maximum depth to
>>256 ply. The end of computer chess.
>>
>>Ed



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