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Subject: Re: Recapture Extension

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 19:10:30 01/10/02

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On January 09, 2002 at 22:23:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 09, 2002 at 17:18:24, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On January 09, 2002 at 17:12:23, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>
>>>On January 09, 2002 at 15:17:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 09, 2002 at 12:58:18, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 09, 2002 at 12:45:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 09, 2002 at 10:15:53, David Rasmussen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some time ago we talked about the recapture extension. Bob's experiments with
>>>>>>>Crafty seemed to show that recapture extension was a bad idea at least for his
>>>>>>>program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How many people have the recapture extension because they positively believe
>>>>>>>that it is better for their program, and how many has removed it from their
>>>>>>>program because the positively believe that it is bad for their program?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am sure a lot of people have it or don't have it, but for no specific reason,
>>>>>>>that is, they have not tested the effect of this extension thoroughly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>/David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note that I still use it.  It definitely slows things down at times, but
>>>>>>allowing my opponent to burn two plies "at will" by making a capture that I
>>>>>>have to reply to seems dangerous to ignore...
>>>>>
>>>>>So, you prefer following your intuition, though it is not in complete accordance
>>>>>with the statistics of the experiment which you have done once (IIRC) ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Uli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>yep...
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>
>>>Same goes for me. I don't know what the outcome of this experiment was, but for
>>>me leaving it in seems to "break even". It solves a few tactics extra and misses
>>>a few others. I have always had doubts if it really effectively reduces horizon
>>>effects in games.
>>>
>>>Bas.
>>
>>In that case i assume you threw it out, in order to get another ply more?
>
>
>For me turning it off or on doesn't come _anywhere_ near another ply...

Amazing!

perhaps crafty uses really *too* much nodes a ply to feel these extensions.



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