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Subject: Re: Recapture Extension

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:32:32 01/10/02

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On January 10, 2002 at 22:10:30, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On January 09, 2002 at 22:23:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 09, 2002 at 17:18:24, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On January 09, 2002 at 17:12:23, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 09, 2002 at 15:17:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 09, 2002 at 12:58:18, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 09, 2002 at 12:45:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 09, 2002 at 10:15:53, David Rasmussen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some time ago we talked about the recapture extension. Bob's experiments with
>>>>>>>>Crafty seemed to show that recapture extension was a bad idea at least for his
>>>>>>>>program.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How many people have the recapture extension because they positively believe
>>>>>>>>that it is better for their program, and how many has removed it from their
>>>>>>>>program because the positively believe that it is bad for their program?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am sure a lot of people have it or don't have it, but for no specific reason,
>>>>>>>>that is, they have not tested the effect of this extension thoroughly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>/David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note that I still use it.  It definitely slows things down at times, but
>>>>>>>allowing my opponent to burn two plies "at will" by making a capture that I
>>>>>>>have to reply to seems dangerous to ignore...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, you prefer following your intuition, though it is not in complete accordance
>>>>>>with the statistics of the experiment which you have done once (IIRC) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Uli
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>yep...
>>>>>
>>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>Same goes for me. I don't know what the outcome of this experiment was, but for
>>>>me leaving it in seems to "break even". It solves a few tactics extra and misses
>>>>a few others. I have always had doubts if it really effectively reduces horizon
>>>>effects in games.
>>>>
>>>>Bas.
>>>
>>>In that case i assume you threw it out, in order to get another ply more?
>>
>>
>>For me turning it off or on doesn't come _anywhere_ near another ply...
>
>Amazing!
>
>perhaps crafty uses really *too* much nodes a ply to feel these extensions.


I don't understand.  The BF is < 3 typically.  Perhaps you are doing recap
differently than I do them.  Mine are pretty severely restricted...



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