Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:03:27 06/15/98
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On June 15, 1998 at 12:26:52, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On June 15, 1998 at 09:29:45, Georg Langrath wrote: > >>When SSDF was young we had fun in the club testing computers. First we >>tested our owns. Then the sellers asked us to test their products. Later >>on magazins asked us if they could use our list. > >Aha, and suddenly you (ssdf) have to live with the fact that WHAT you do gets >reaction. This has to do with the fact you publish in public. > >Or you allow to publish in public. > >Suddenly people USE the list. > >> It was never SSDF that >>wanted to be kind of God about the strength of chesscomputers. > >I hope GOD uses different methods than ssdf. >Bible says so. > >>So don´t >>blame them if you don´t like their methods. > >Pah - I read a magazin. I read about the list. The whole day it is published and >quoted somewhere. Eric uses it. Marketing guys, companies. >I am allowed to blame them. They are no longer intimate. They are public. >I am a member of the society. So i can comment. >You have to live with critics. > >>In a club you must have the >>right to do what you want as long as it is legal. > >Sure. And as a society that gets confronted with your list, I have the right to >comment. > >> You don´t have to use >>their products if you don´t like them. > >I don't USE their service. Others publish it. > >> >>Georg The point is not nearly so much about the SSDF methods as is is about the greediness of chess programmers. Once an experiment is started, and the details of the testing methodology become known, the experiment is over. That's why drug trials are "double-blind" in the US. *no* one involved knows who is getting the real drug and who is getting a placebo. So once the testing conditions became known, we started seeing killer books, odd behavior (running out of time if first non-book move was bad, so the game would be aborted) and other such things. None of which was caused by the SSDF... but rather by the programmers themselves... We've seen cooked test suites, cooked book lines, and a host of such things, so *nothing* should be a big surprise any more...
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