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Subject: Re: Gandalf 5 vs Gambit Tiger 2

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:29:35 01/13/02

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On January 13, 2002 at 08:07:49, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On January 13, 2002 at 07:05:16, Tina Long wrote:
>
>>Gigantic hash tables for very quick time limit didn't suit Gandalf?
>
>I don't think so. The Athlon can clear 200M in a split second, and
>it plays 1 0 games fine with this setting.
>
>>Gandalf is more knowledge based so GambitTigger looked a lot deeper because of
>>the quick time limit?
>
>Mm. Perhaps. Gandalf doesn't search very deeply, Tiger does. This won't
>change when playing slower games. Gandalf will search a ply deeper, but
>so will Tiger (and perhaps two).
>
>>The extra Tablebases helped GT?
>
>There's no practical advantage to using 6 man
>tablebases. (according to Robert)
>
>>Sample size too small?
>
>24 games isn't much, but it's still a huge score difference,
>enough to be significant. I'll plug the result into elostat
>and see what comes out.
>
>>Did you notice any explaining factors or do you think this is a fair comparison
>>of strength?
>
>I think it's fair comparison, the hardware was about equal and both were playing
>at full strength. If there is something wrong with my setup
>(I was operating Gandalf), then I honestly wouldn't know what is was.
>
>>Apriori I would have expected about 8-6-10 or thereabouts.
>
>Hmm. I'm disappointed with Gandalf so far. I used to run Fritz 7 on the same
>account and with Gandalf the rating has dropped about 70-100 points!
>
>It doesn't seem to be a real top program to me. I wonder what the SSDF result
>will be.
>
>--
>GCP

I will try another possible theory(I do not have gandalf5 so I cannot check it)

Maybe gandalf need time to get used to big hash tables for some reason.

The fact that it does not lose on time even on 1 0 games does not contradict
this theory because it is possible that gandalf starts by searching 50 knodes
per second in the first seconds and only after a minute the number of nodes per
second becomes 300 knodes per second and the time that gandalf needs to get used
to big hash tables is bigger than the time that it needs to
get used to small hash tables.

Uri



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