Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:23:22 01/15/02
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On January 15, 2002 at 12:29:43, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >On January 15, 2002 at 12:08:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 15, 2002 at 12:02:38, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >> >>>On January 15, 2002 at 08:35:00, jefkaan wrote: >>> >>>>On January 15, 2002 at 00:24:06, pavel wrote: >>>>>Yup, it's better to deal with it than talk about it, and coz misunderstandings. >>>>>If it's not a clone than the author shouldn't have a problem to cooperate. >>>> >>>>ok, i've sent a copy of the recent sourcefile (only one file..) >>>>to the tournament organizer (Volker); nullmove recently added >>> >>>You should not have sent anything at all, unless everyone of the participants >>>send a copy too. What is this? a selective witch hunt against newcomers? >>>This is ridiculous and you should not have fallen for this. Is Vincent >>>going to send a copy too? >>>There was a similar problem last time against a program that did too well. >>>An amateur program and was accused of many things making the programmer >>>very uncomfortable, putting him in a position to prove his innocence. >>>Why? even pretigious people here get paranoid. >>> >>>My quesion is: Is everybody now going to send a copy of the version >>>used in this tournament or you were finger pointed by a spurious accusation? >>> >>>Miguel >>> >> >> >>For the record, this has _always_ been a stipulation of ICCA-sponsored >>computer chess events. The TD/organizing committee could demand to see >>the source of a program to determine if cheating has occurred. This has >>happened in the past and a couple of cases were caught by ICCA people. > >For the record, 1) I have not seen a TD/organizing committee demanding anything, >it was a participant IN PUBLIC and that is sad. >And 2) this is not sponsored by ICCA, but the first point makes it moot. > >Regards, >Miguel Nothing makes the point "moot". It is _certainly_ reasonable to expect for someone to prove that they are running their own program and not a copy of someone else's, otherwise the event is worthless because it will have no credibility of any kind. I pointed out that _other_ events have had the requirement that the author be prepared to "show his code" if necessary, so that having to do so in this event should not be a shock to anyone... Vincent raised the issue just as it was raised in past events where there was "cloning" going on. He just did it here, rather than at the tournament site. But since no one is _at_ the tournament site, or, if you think about it _everywhere_ is at the tournament site, then his asking the question here is reasonable. He _did_ raise it in channel 64 on ICC but didn't get any satisfactory answers there. He went to the next level. If he is wrong, he is wrong. If he is right, that too... > >> >>And then again, I have caught at least four direct copies of Crafty being >>used in such events, while claiming to be "new programs written from >>scratch." >> >>The worrisome thing is that I am _positive_ that I haven't caught them >>_all_... :( >> >>> >>>>(thx Bas, for the pseudocode) but now it runs wild sometimes >>>>tactically, although i included checking if side to move is in >>>>check, and playing nullmove only every odd or even ply.. >>>>To avoid further confusion i consider to open a temporarily >>>>account (one month) on Icc with handle 'djenghis', >>>>best regards >>>>Jan >>>>PS yet still i wonder Vincent's agressive behaviour to apparent >>>>newcomers in the field of computer chess (smelling competition ?); >>>>the intention of Djenghis, made just for fun, is to play gambits >>>>on Fics (see handle 'djenghis' there..), its not intended >>>>to compete with excellent engines like Yace and soforth..
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