Author: Slater Wold
Date: 13:23:32 01/15/02
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On January 15, 2002 at 15:46:29, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 15, 2002 at 15:15:55, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >>On January 15, 2002 at 03:57:15, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On January 14, 2002 at 19:17:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>Hello , >>>> >>>>i see bookbuilder in cct4. that is an interface made by >>>>Bas Hamstra sold to J.E.F. Kaan (who can't program at all) >>>>and with crafty added sold as 'bookbuilder'. >>>> >>>>Now i see Jan Kaan join CCT4 with bookbuilder under the name 'djenghis 0.05'. >>>> >>>>He is mentioned as 'author' from Djenghis. >>>> >>>>This is not correct. >>> >>> >>>Vincent, >>> >>>You impossibly can provide the evidence of your accusation, I suggest you move >>>your suspect to the Tournament Director of CCT4, that is where it belongs. >>> >>>The moderators of CCC are not going to allow you to discredit the name of Mr. >>>Kaan based on wild speculations. So it's either provide the evidence or stop >>>now. >>> >>>Kindest regards, >>> >>>Ed Schroder >>>CCC moderator >> >>With respect, I disagree with this. The factual accuracy of what someone is >>saying shouldn't be an issue. The moderators should not be a court of law that >>determined whether what someone says is true or false. >> >>"Put up or shut up" should be something the members say, not something the >>moderators say. The club that the moderators wield is too heavy in this case. >> >>As a group, we need to be able to speak freely about issues that are important >>to us. Sometimes, this might involve very contentious speech, which Vincent >>seems to specialize in. >> >>I think that the charter is designed to protect us from stalkers and people who >>can't stay within the bounds of civility. It's not designed to prevent us from >>getting into arguments, disagreeing, or even accusing each other of things. >> >>I suggest that if Vincent makes a campaign out of this, it should go. If >>someone is going to post the same thing every few days, they are obviously using >>the forum as a vehicle for personal attack -- that's what a campaign is. I >>don't see that happening here. >> >>If someone wants to say something nasty, I think they should go for it. I think >>that the charter protects us from people would would follow us around sniping at >>us, like the stuff that is happening in the other forum, but if someone is >>displeased with someone, that's a valid topic. >> >>bruce > >I disagree >We got a moderator email that asked to delete all the thread > >I thought to do it but it was not a clear case that I was sure to do it so >I decided to discuss it with Ed and the decision was not to delete it. >but to give Vincent a warning. > >My opinion is that people should not accuse each other by "facts" that they >cannot prove and the question if the "facts" are right or wrong >is not important. I wonder who asked you to delete this thread?! (sarcasm) I bet it wasn't more than 1 person, and that being, the person who was named. Example: "I think Deep Fritz is a horrible program. I think Frans and Mathias are horrible programmers." If I posted that, and Frans asked you to delete it, would you? I would hope not. That is what this forum is about. If anyone in this forum cares about what I think, someone will post a reply, "Why?" If I don't respond, then obviously I am just trolling. And perhaps then the post should be deleted. However, if I replied, "Deep Fritz's SMP does not work in ANY of the 3 computers I have tested. Of the 6+ people I know who have SMP machines, it does not work. They have sold a commercial program, under the pretense that it gains 80% with an extra CPU. I can show time and time again where Deep Fritz fails to achieve this. We have recieved no patches, and there has been no attempt to fix this." Then I wouldn't be trolling, I would be defending my statement. It's like Bruce told me a long time ago, "..let the people of the forum weed out the trolls. Let the people of the forum decide who they are and aren't going to listen to.." This is a poll about ideas, and consquently, opinions. Don't try to moderate that. Let Mr. Kaan defend himself. If he cannot, well then, Vince is in the right. If he does, well, maybe people will stop listening to Vince. Slate
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