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Subject: Re: Van Wely will probally lose the Match to Century 4 how many agree?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 18:54:04 01/15/02

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On January 15, 2002 at 21:14:03, James Doby  wrote:

>Rebel is an Outstanding Program that makes very little "Computer like Moves"
>it's play is indistiquishable from human play. I can't see van wely
>outcalculating the thing or outplaying it in the endgame the best he can hope
>for is a drawn match perhaps a repeat of the Fritz Huebner match, ofcourse rebel
>is much stronger then fritz against humans as the grandmaster challenges
>demonstrated, look at fritz poor result in the israeli league.

I figure Rebel will win, unless Van Wely does.  Or they might draw too.

By trichotomy, that's pretty much all the outcomes.

It is difficult to expect much from any extrapolation based on less than a
thousand games.

It's always fun to pick and choose though,

[Event "1/93 Cologne"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1992.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Kasparov, Gary"]
[Black "Fritz2"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2780"]
[ECO "A00f"]
[Opening "Anderssen's opening"]

1.a3 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 c5 4.g3 Nf6 5.Bg2 O-O 6.b4 cxb4 7.axb4 Nc6 8.b5 Ne5
9.d3 d6 10.Bb2 Qb6 11.Qd2 a5 12.h3 Re8 13.g4 h6 14.f4 Ned7 15.Nf3 Nc5 16.
g5 hxg5 17.fxg5 Nb3 18.Qd1 Nxa1 19.gxf6 Bxf6 20.Nd5 Qd8 21.Bxf6 exf6 22.
Qxa1 Kg7 23.e4 a4 24.O-O Be6 25.Nf4 a3 26.Rf2 Qb6 27.Nd4 a2 28.Kh2 Qxd4
29.Qxd4 a1=Q 30.Qxd6 Qe5 31.Qxe5 fxe5 32.Nd5 Rac8 33.Ra2 Red8 34.Ra7 Rb8
35.b6 f5 36.exf5 gxf5 37.Nc7 Bf7 38.Bxb7 Rxd3 39.Bd5 Rxb6 40.Ne8+ Kg8 41.
Bxf7+ Kf8 42.Bh5 Rb2+ 43.Kg1 Rg3+ 44.Kf1 Rxh3 45.Rf7+ Kxe8 46.Rxf5+ Kd7
47.Bf3 Rhh2 48.Rxe5 Rhf2+ 0-1

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1992.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "COMP Fritz II"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2670"]
[ECO "D20u"]
[Opening "QGA"]
[Variation "Linares variation"]

1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 c5 4.d5 Nf6 5.Nc3 b5 6.e5 b4 7.exf6 bxc3 8.bxc3
exf6 9.Bxc4 Bd6 10.Qe2+ Kf8 11.Nf3 Bg4 12.O-O h5 13.Re1 Nd7 14.Rb1 Ne5 15.
Bb5 g6 16.c4 Kg7 17.Bb2 Nxf3+ 18.gxf3 Bf5 19.Rbd1 a6 20.Bc6 Rb8 21.h4 Bd7
22.Bxd7 Qxd7 23.Kg2 Qf5 24.Bc1 Rb4 25.Bd2 Rb2 26.Bh6+ Rxh6 27.Qxb2 Qf4 28.
Qb6 Qh2+ 29.Kf1 Rh8 30.Re4 Rb8 31.Qa5 Rb2 32.Rd2 Rb1+ 33.Ke2 Bg3 34.Qxc5
Qg1 35.Kd3 Qf1+ 36.Kc2 Rc1+ 37.Kb3 Be5 38.Ka4 Bc3 39.Re8 g5 40.Qf8+ Kg6
41.Qg8+ Kf5 42.Qh7+ Kf4 43.Qe4# 1-0

[Event "It (open) (active)"]
[Site "Frankfurt GER"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Computer  'Fritz 5 '"]
[Black "Beliavsky, Alexander G"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2690"]
[ECO "C92g"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O
9.h3 Nd7 10.d4 Bf6 11.a4 Bb7 12.axb5 axb5 13.Rxa8 Qxa8 14.d5 Ne7 15.Na3
Ba6 16.Be3 Qb8 17.Nc2 Nc5 18.Nb4 Bb7 19.Bc2 Na6 20.Nxa6 Bxa6 21.Qe2 Bc8
22.Ra1 Bd7 23.Qd3 c6 24.dxc6 Bxc6 25.Ra6 Rd8 26.Nh2 Qc8 27.Ra7 Ng6 28.Bb3
Rd7 29.Ra2 h6 30.Ng4 Bg5 31.Bxg5 hxg5 32.Qe3 Qd8 33.Ra6 Qc8 34.Ra1 Qd8 35.
Rd1 Nf4 36.g3 Ne6 37.Bxe6 fxe6 38.Ra1 Kh7 39.Nh2 Kg6 40.Qd3 Rf7 41.b3 Qf6
42.Ng4 Qe7 43.c4 bxc4 44.Qxc4 Qe8 45.Rd1 Bb5 46.Qb4 Qc6 47.Qxd6 Qxd6 48.
Rxd6 Re7 49.Rb6 Be2 50.f3 Rc7 51.Rxe6+ Kf7 52.Rb6 Rc2 53.Nxe5+ Ke7 54.Nc6+
1-0


[Event "?"]
[Site "Frankfurt Ordix"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fritz5"]
[Black "Dautov, Rustem"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2600"]
[ECO "E12r"]
[Opening "Queen's Indian defence "]
[Variation "4.Nc3"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.a3 Bb7 5.Nc3 d5 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.e3 Nf6 8.Bd3 c5
9.O-O Nbd7 10.Qe2 a6 11.Rd1 Qb8 12.Bc2 Be7 13.dxc5 Bxc5 14.b4 Be7 15.Bb2
O-O 16.Rxd7 Nxd7 17.Qd3 g6 18.Qxd7 Bf6 19.e4 Rd8 20.Qa4 Bg7 21.Qb3 Qc7 22.
Nd1 Rac8 23.Bxg7 Qxc2 24.Qxc2 Rxc2 25.Ne3 Rcc8 26.Bf6 Rd7 27.Ne5 Rdc7 28.
f3 Rc1+ 29.Rxc1 Rxc1+ 30.Kf2 b5 31.Nd7 h5 32.Nc5 Bc8 33.Ke2 Kf8 34.Kd2 Rh1
35.h4 1-0

[Event "Match (active)"]
[Site "Budapest HUN"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Computer  'Fritz 5 32 '"]
[Black "Polgar, Judit"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2677"]
[ECO "B40l"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Qb6 5.Nb3 Nc6 6.Be3 Qc7 7.Bd3 Nf6 8.Nc3
a6 9.f4 b5 10.Qf3 Bb7 11.O-O d6 12.Rae1 Be7 13.a3 b4 14.Na4 O-O 15.Bb6 Qd7
16.Bf2 Rad8 17.Qe2 bxa3 18.bxa3 Nd4 19.Nxd4 Qxa4 20.Rb1 Ba8 21.Rb6 Qxa3
22.Rxa6 Qb4 23.c4 Qb7 24.Rfa1 Qd7 25.Ra7 Qe8 26.Nb5 Bc6 27.Nc7 Qd7 28.Nd5
Bb7 29.Rb1 exd5 30.Rbxb7 dxc4 31.Bxc4 1-0

[Event "Match (active)"]
[Site "Budapest HUN"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Polgar, Judit"]
[Black "Computer  'Fritz 5 32 '"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2677"]
[ECO "B48h"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 Qc7 7.Qd2 Nf6 8.f3
Ne5 9.O-O-O Bb4 10.Nb3 b5 11.Bd4 h6 12.Qe1 Nc6 13.Be3 O-O 14.g4 Ne5 15.Qg3
Bxc3 16.bxc3 Bb7 17.g5 hxg5 18.Bxg5 Nh5 19.Qh3 Qxc3 20.Qxh5 Rfc8 21.Rd2
Nxf3 22.Rg2 Bxe4 23.Qg4 f5 24.Qg3 Nxg5 25.Rhg1 Bxg2 26.Qxg2 Nf3 0-1

[Event "Frankfurt-West Masters"]
[Site "Frankfurt GER"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Fritz on Primergy"]
[Black "Lutz, Christopher"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2610"]
[ECO "B84"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Variation "Najdorf, Byrne (English) attack"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e6 7.Be2 Qc7 8.f4 b5
9.Bf3 Bb7 10.a3 Nbd7 11.Qe2 Be7 12.O-O O-O 13.Bd2 g6 14.Rad1 Rac8 15.e5
Bxf3 16.Nxf3 Ne8 17.Bc1 Ng7 18.exd6 Bxd6 19.Ne4 Be7 20.Rd3 Nc5 21.Rc3 Qb7
22.Nf2 Rfd8 23.Re1 Na4 24.Rc7 Rb8 25.Rc6 Rbc8 26.Rxc8 Qxc8 27.Ne5 Nf5 28.
c3 Nb6 29.Qf3 Rd5 30.g4 Nd6 31.b3 Rc5 32.Bb2 Rc7 33.Nd1 Nd7 34.Nxd7 Rxd7
35.Nf2 Qb7 36.Qe2 Bf6 37.g5 Bg7 38.c4 Bxb2 39.Qxb2 Nf5 40.cxb5 axb5 41.Ne4
Qb6+ 42.Kf1 Qd4 43.Qe2 Kg7 44.Qxb5 Rd5 45.Qe2 e5 46.fxe5 Rxe5 47.Qf3 Qa7
48.b4 Qa6+ 49.Kf2 Qb6+ 50.Nc5 Rxc5 51.bxc5 Qxc5+ 52.Kf1 h6 53.gxh6+ Kxh6
54.h3 Kg7 55.Qd3 Qc6 56.Ke2 Kg8 57.Kd1 Kg7 58.Re4 Qc5 59.a4 Qg1+ 60.Kc2
Qc5+ 61.Kb2 Qf2+ 62.Kb1 Qg1+ 63.Ka2 Qf2+ 64.Qe2 Qc5 65.Qc4 Qf2+ 66.Re2 Qa7
67.Rd2 Qe7 68.a5 Ne3 69.Qb5 Qe6+ 70.Qb3 Qe5 71.Qxf7+ Kh6 72.Qf8+ Kh7 73.
Qb4 Nc4 74.Rc2 Qxa5+ 75.Qxa5 Nxa5 76.Rc5 1-0

[Event "Frankfurt-West Masters"]
[Site "Frankfurt GER"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Topalov, Veselin"]
[Black "Fritz 6"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2700"]
[ECO "D37p"]
[Opening "Reversed Grob (Borg/Basman defence/macho Grob)"]
[Variation "Ilyin-Genevsky, Winter variation @ (seldom played-pwo)"]

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.d4 Be7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.a3 Nc6
9.Rc1 a6 10.b4 Be7 11.cxd5 exd5 12.Be2 Bf5 13.O-O a5 14.b5 Bxa3 15.bxc6
bxc6 16.Nd4 Bxc1 17.Qxc1 Bd7 18.Qa3 Re8 19.Na4 Ne4 20.Rc1 Qh4 21.Bg3 Qe7
22.Qxe7 Rxe7 23.Bd3 Nxg3 24.hxg3 Be8 25.Ra1 f6 26.Nc5 Rea7 27.Bc2 Rb8 28.
Ba4 Rb4 29.Rc1 Rc4 30.Rxc4 dxc4 31.Kf1 Re7 32.Nf3 c3 33.Ke2 Bg6 34.Nd4 Re5
35.Nd7 Rh5 36.g4 Rh1 37.Nc5 h5 38.gxh5 Rxh5 39.Bb3+ Kh7 40.Nde6 Bf5 41.g4
Bxg4+ 42.Kd3 Bxe6 43.Nxe6 Rh2 44.f4 Rh3 45.f5 Kh6 46.Ba4 Rh4 47.Bc2 a4 48.
Kxc3 a3 49.Kb3 Rh2 0-1

[Event "Frankfurt-West Masters"]
[Site "Frankfurt GER"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Fritz 6"]
[Black "Adams, Michael"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2716"]
[ECO "B17u"]
[Opening "Caro-Kann"]
[Variation "Smyslov variation (8.Bd3) "]

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bc4 Ngf6 6.Ng5 e6 7.Qe2 Nb6 8.Bd3
h6 9.N5f3 c5 10.dxc5 Bxc5 11.Ne5 O-O 12.Ngf3 Nbd7 13.Bd2 Nxe5 14.Nxe5 Qd5
15.O-O-O Qxa2 16.c3 b5 17.Bb1 Qa4 18.Qd3 Bb6 19.Qf3 Rb8 20.Bxh6 Qh4 21.Be3
Bb7 22.Qg3 Qxg3 23.hxg3 Bxe3+ 24.fxe3 Rfc8 25.Rh2 g6 26.g4 Kg7 27.g5 Nd5
28.Rh6 Rc7 29.Bxg6 fxg6 30.Rf1 1-0


[Event "It (active) (cat.15)"]
[Site "Frankfurt GER"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Computer  'Fritz 6 '"]
[Black "Lutz, Christopher"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2610"]
[ECO "B84"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e6 7.Be2 Qc7 8.f4 b5
9.Bf3 Bb7 10.a3 Nbd7 11.Qe2 Be7 12.O-O O-O 13.Bd2 g6 14.Rad1 Rac8 15.e5
Bxf3 16.Nxf3 Ne8 17.Bc1 Ng7 18.exd6 Bxd6 19.Ne4 Be7 20.Rd3 Nc5 21.Rc3 Qb7
22.Nf2 Rfd8 23.Re1 Na4 24.Rxc8 Qxc8 25.Ne5 Nf5 26.c3 Nb6 27.Qf3 Rd5 28.g4
Nd6 29.b3 Rc5 30.Bb2 Rc7 31.Nd1 Nd7 32.Nxd7 Rxd7 33.Nf2 Qb7 34.Qe2 Bf6 35.
g5 Bg7 36.c4 Bxb2 37.Qxb2 Nf5 38.cxb5 axb5 39.Ne4 Qb6+ 40.Kf1 Qd4 41.Qe2
Kg7 42.Qxb5 Rd5 43.Qe2 e5 44.fxe5 Rxe5 45.Qf3 Qa7 46.b4 Qa6+ 47.Kf2 Qb6+
48.Nc5 Rxc5 49.bxc5 Qxc5+ 50.Kf1 h6 51.gxh6+ Kxh6 52.h3 Kh7 53.Qd3 Qc6 54.
Ke2 Qg2+ 55.Kd1 Qc6 56.Re4 Qc5 57.a4 Qg1+ 58.Kc2 Qc5+ 59.Kb2 Qf2+ 60.Kb1
Qg1+ 61.Ka2 Qf2+ 62.Qe2 Qc5 63.Qc4 Qf2+ 64.Re2 Qa7 65.Rd2 Qe7 66.a5 Ne3
67.Qb5 Qe6+ 68.Qb3 Qe5 69.Qxf7+ Kh6 70.Qf8+ Kh5 71.Qb4 Nc4 72.Rc2 Qxa5+
73.Qxa5+ Nxa5 74.Rc5+ 1-0


[Event "It (active) (cat.15)"]
[Site "Frankfurt GER"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Topalov, Veselin"]
[Black "Computer  'Fritz 6 '"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2700"]
[ECO "D37p"]

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.d4 Be7 5.Bf4 O-O 6.e3 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.a3 Nc6
9.Rc1 a6 10.b4 Be7 11.cxd5 exd5 12.Be2 Bf5 13.O-O a5 14.b5 Bxa3 15.bxc6
bxc6 16.Nd4 Bxc1 17.Qxc1 Bd7 18.Qa3 Re8 19.Na4 Ne4 20.Rc1 Qh4 21.Bg3 Qe7
22.Qxe7 Rxe7 23.Bd3 Nxg3 24.hxg3 Be8 25.Ra1 f6 26.Nc5 Rea7 27.Bc2 Rb8 28.
Ba4 Rb4 29.Rc1 Rc4 30.Rxc4 dxc4 31.Kf1 Re7 32.Nf3 c3 33.Ke2 Bg6 34.Nd4 Re5
35.Nd7 Rh5 36.g4 Rh1 37.Nc5 h5 38.gxh5 Rxh5 39.Bb3+ Kh7 40.Nde6 Bf5 41.g4
Bxg4+ 42.Kd3 Bxe6 43.Nxe6 Rh2 44.f4 Rh3 45.f5 Kh6 46.Ba4 Rh4 47.Bc2 a4 48.
Kxc3 a3 49.Kb3 Rh2 0-1

[Event "It (active) (cat.15)"]
[Site "Frankfurt GER"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Polgar, Judit"]
[Black "Computer  'Fritz 6 '"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2677"]
[ECO "A22"]

1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.e4 Bc5 4.d3 d6 5.Be2 Nc6 6.Nf3 Nd4 7.Nxd4 Bxd4 8.O-O
c6 9.Be3 O-O 10.Qd2 Be6 11.Bf3 Re8 12.Bxd4 exd4 13.Ne2 c5 14.b4 Nd7 15.
bxc5 dxc5 16.Ng3 b6 17.Be2 Qh4 18.f4 Nf6 19.f5 Bc8 20.Rf4 Qg5 21.Raf1 Bd7
22.Nh1 Re5 23.Qe1 Bc6 24.h4 Qh6 25.g4 Nd7 26.Qg3 Qd6 27.g5 f6 28.Nf2 Re7
29.Ng4 Kh8 30.Kh2 a6 31.Rg1 b5 32.gxf6 Nxf6 33.Nxf6 Qxf6 34.Bf3 Re5 35.Rg4
Ra7 36.h5 bxc4 37.h6 Qxh6+ 38.Rh4 Qd6 39.dxc4 Rb7 40.Kh1 Be8 41.Qf4 Qf6
42.Rh2 Rb6 43.Qd2 Rb4 44.Rhg2 Rxe4 45.Bxe4 Qh4+ 46.Rh2 Qxe4+ 47.Rhg2 Qh4+
0-1

[Event "It (active) (cat.15)"]
[Site "Frankfurt GER"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Leko, Peter"]
[Black "Computer  'Fritz 6 '"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2694"]
[ECO "C96"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O
9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 c5 11.d4 cxd4 12.cxd4 exd4 13.Nxd4 Bb7 14.Nd2 Re8 15.b3
Bf8 16.Bb2 g6 17.Re2 Bg7 18.Qe1 Rc8 19.Rd1 Nh5 20.Bb1 Nf4 21.Re3 Qf6 22.
N2f3 Nc6 23.Kh2 Ne5 24.g3 Nd5 25.exd5 Nxf3+ 26.Nxf3 Rxe3 27.Bxf6 Rxe1 28.
Nxe1 Bxf6 29.Be4 h5 30.Kg2 h4 31.g4 Rc3 32.Nf3 g5 33.Ng1 Rc5 34.Ne2 b4 35.
Kf3 Kg7 36.Ke3 Bd8 37.f4 Bb6 38.Kf3 Kf6 39.fxg5+ Kxg5 40.Rd2 a5 41.Rc2
Rxd5 42.Nf4 Re5 43.Bxb7 Re3+ 44.Kg2 Kxf4 45.Kh2 Rg3 46.Bg2 Rd3 47.Re2 Be3
48.Bc6 d5 49.Be8 Kf3 0-1

[Event "Computer Match 25m + 10s"]
[Site "Eindhoven NED"]
[Date "2000.??.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "FRITZ6"]
[Black "Van Wely, Loek"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2639"]
[ECO "B87"]
[Opening "Sicilian"]
[Variation "Sozin (with...a6 &...b5)"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.Bb3 b5 8.O-O Be7
9.Qf3 Qb6 10.Be3 Qb7 11.Qg3 b4 12.Na4 Nbd7 13.f3 O-O 14.Rfd1 Kh8 15.Rac1
Ne5 16.Ne2 Rb8 17.c4 bxc3 18.Nexc3 Bd7 19.Nb6 Bc6 20.Kh1 Rfd8 21.Rc2 Nfd7
22.Nxd7 Bxd7 23.Rcd2 Be8 24.f4 Nd7 25.f5 exf5 26.exf5 Nf6 27.Bd4 Bc6 28.
Bxf7 d5 29.Be5 Ra8 30.Bxd5 Rac8 31.h3 h6 32.Qg6 Rf8 33.Bxc6 Qxc6 34.Rd7
Rce8 35.Rc7 Qb6 36.Nd5 1-0

Now, from the above we can see (at least) that Fritz does have some fighting
spirit.

From time to time.





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