Author: Slater Wold
Date: 21:46:10 01/15/02
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On January 15, 2002 at 20:09:11, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: >On January 15, 2002 at 16:23:32, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On January 15, 2002 at 15:46:29, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On January 15, 2002 at 15:15:55, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>On January 15, 2002 at 03:57:15, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 14, 2002 at 19:17:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hello , >>>>>> >>>>>>i see bookbuilder in cct4. that is an interface made by >>>>>>Bas Hamstra sold to J.E.F. Kaan (who can't program at all) >>>>>>and with crafty added sold as 'bookbuilder'. >>>>>> >>>>>>Now i see Jan Kaan join CCT4 with bookbuilder under the name 'djenghis 0.05'. >>>>>> >>>>>>He is mentioned as 'author' from Djenghis. >>>>>> >>>>>>This is not correct. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Vincent, >>>>> >>>>>You impossibly can provide the evidence of your accusation, I suggest you move >>>>>your suspect to the Tournament Director of CCT4, that is where it belongs. >>>>> >>>>>The moderators of CCC are not going to allow you to discredit the name of Mr. >>>>>Kaan based on wild speculations. So it's either provide the evidence or stop >>>>>now. >>>>> >>>>>Kindest regards, >>>>> >>>>>Ed Schroder >>>>>CCC moderator >>>> >>>>With respect, I disagree with this. The factual accuracy of what someone is >>>>saying shouldn't be an issue. The moderators should not be a court of law that >>>>determined whether what someone says is true or false. >>>> >>>>"Put up or shut up" should be something the members say, not something the >>>>moderators say. The club that the moderators wield is too heavy in this case. >>>> >>>>As a group, we need to be able to speak freely about issues that are important >>>>to us. Sometimes, this might involve very contentious speech, which Vincent >>>>seems to specialize in. >>>> >>>>I think that the charter is designed to protect us from stalkers and people who >>>>can't stay within the bounds of civility. It's not designed to prevent us from >>>>getting into arguments, disagreeing, or even accusing each other of things. >>>> >>>>I suggest that if Vincent makes a campaign out of this, it should go. If >>>>someone is going to post the same thing every few days, they are obviously using >>>>the forum as a vehicle for personal attack -- that's what a campaign is. I >>>>don't see that happening here. >>>> >>>>If someone wants to say something nasty, I think they should go for it. I think >>>>that the charter protects us from people would would follow us around sniping at >>>>us, like the stuff that is happening in the other forum, but if someone is >>>>displeased with someone, that's a valid topic. >>>> >>>>bruce >>> >>>I disagree >>>We got a moderator email that asked to delete all the thread >>> >>>I thought to do it but it was not a clear case that I was sure to do it so >>>I decided to discuss it with Ed and the decision was not to delete it. >>>but to give Vincent a warning. >>> >>>My opinion is that people should not accuse each other by "facts" that they >>>cannot prove and the question if the "facts" are right or wrong >>>is not important. >> >>I wonder who asked you to delete this thread?! (sarcasm) I bet it wasn't more >>than 1 person, and that being, the person who was named. >> >>Example: >> >>"I think Deep Fritz is a horrible program. I think Frans and Mathias are >>horrible programmers." >> >>If I posted that, and Frans asked you to delete it, would you? I would hope >>not. That is what this forum is about. >> >>If anyone in this forum cares about what I think, someone will post a reply, >>"Why?" If I don't respond, then obviously I am just trolling. And perhaps then >>the post should be deleted. However, if I replied, >> >>"Deep Fritz's SMP does not work in ANY of the 3 computers I have tested. Of the >>6+ people I know who have SMP machines, it does not work. They have sold a >>commercial program, under the pretense that it gains 80% with an extra CPU. I >>can show time and time again where Deep Fritz fails to achieve this. We have >>recieved no patches, and there has been no attempt to fix this." >> >>Then I wouldn't be trolling, I would be defending my statement. It's like Bruce >>told me a long time ago, "..let the people of the forum weed out the trolls. >>Let the people of the forum decide who they are and aren't going to listen to.." >> >>This is a poll about ideas, and consquently, opinions. Don't try to moderate >>that. >> >>Let Mr. Kaan defend himself. If he cannot, well then, Vince is in the right. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >That is the whole point, he DOES NOT HAVE to defend himself, and I would not >have done it. You have to defend yourself when you are accused with FACTS. >Saying the Mr. Kaan cannot program is not a fact, it is an insult. >Why do I care? because this is the typical behavior and language that you >see in dictatorships "If you are innocent, you do not have to worry". I can accuse anyone, of anything I want. I don't have to have facts. Pick up this weeks Enquirer. >Mr. Kann send the code. I assume the program is legitimate, Is the accuser >going to apologize? No. Vince has some kinda grudge against Mr. Kaan. That's between him and Vince. >Miguel > > > > > > >>If he does, well, maybe people will stop listening to Vince. > > > > >> >> >> >>Slate
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