Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 11:29:28 01/16/02
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On January 16, 2002 at 00:46:10, Slater Wold wrote: >On January 15, 2002 at 20:09:11, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: > >>On January 15, 2002 at 16:23:32, Slater Wold wrote: >> >>>On January 15, 2002 at 15:46:29, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 15, 2002 at 15:15:55, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 15, 2002 at 03:57:15, Ed Schröder wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 14, 2002 at 19:17:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello , >>>>>>> >>>>>>>i see bookbuilder in cct4. that is an interface made by >>>>>>>Bas Hamstra sold to J.E.F. Kaan (who can't program at all) >>>>>>>and with crafty added sold as 'bookbuilder'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Now i see Jan Kaan join CCT4 with bookbuilder under the name 'djenghis 0.05'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>He is mentioned as 'author' from Djenghis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is not correct. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Vincent, >>>>>> >>>>>>You impossibly can provide the evidence of your accusation, I suggest you move >>>>>>your suspect to the Tournament Director of CCT4, that is where it belongs. >>>>>> >>>>>>The moderators of CCC are not going to allow you to discredit the name of Mr. >>>>>>Kaan based on wild speculations. So it's either provide the evidence or stop >>>>>>now. >>>>>> >>>>>>Kindest regards, >>>>>> >>>>>>Ed Schroder >>>>>>CCC moderator >>>>> >>>>>With respect, I disagree with this. The factual accuracy of what someone is >>>>>saying shouldn't be an issue. The moderators should not be a court of law that >>>>>determined whether what someone says is true or false. >>>>> >>>>>"Put up or shut up" should be something the members say, not something the >>>>>moderators say. The club that the moderators wield is too heavy in this case. >>>>> >>>>>As a group, we need to be able to speak freely about issues that are important >>>>>to us. Sometimes, this might involve very contentious speech, which Vincent >>>>>seems to specialize in. >>>>> >>>>>I think that the charter is designed to protect us from stalkers and people who >>>>>can't stay within the bounds of civility. It's not designed to prevent us from >>>>>getting into arguments, disagreeing, or even accusing each other of things. >>>>> >>>>>I suggest that if Vincent makes a campaign out of this, it should go. If >>>>>someone is going to post the same thing every few days, they are obviously using >>>>>the forum as a vehicle for personal attack -- that's what a campaign is. I >>>>>don't see that happening here. >>>>> >>>>>If someone wants to say something nasty, I think they should go for it. I think >>>>>that the charter protects us from people would would follow us around sniping at >>>>>us, like the stuff that is happening in the other forum, but if someone is >>>>>displeased with someone, that's a valid topic. >>>>> >>>>>bruce >>>> >>>>I disagree >>>>We got a moderator email that asked to delete all the thread >>>> >>>>I thought to do it but it was not a clear case that I was sure to do it so >>>>I decided to discuss it with Ed and the decision was not to delete it. >>>>but to give Vincent a warning. >>>> >>>>My opinion is that people should not accuse each other by "facts" that they >>>>cannot prove and the question if the "facts" are right or wrong >>>>is not important. >>> >>>I wonder who asked you to delete this thread?! (sarcasm) I bet it wasn't more >>>than 1 person, and that being, the person who was named. >>> >>>Example: >>> >>>"I think Deep Fritz is a horrible program. I think Frans and Mathias are >>>horrible programmers." >>> >>>If I posted that, and Frans asked you to delete it, would you? I would hope >>>not. That is what this forum is about. >>> >>>If anyone in this forum cares about what I think, someone will post a reply, >>>"Why?" If I don't respond, then obviously I am just trolling. And perhaps then >>>the post should be deleted. However, if I replied, >>> >>>"Deep Fritz's SMP does not work in ANY of the 3 computers I have tested. Of the >>>6+ people I know who have SMP machines, it does not work. They have sold a >>>commercial program, under the pretense that it gains 80% with an extra CPU. I >>>can show time and time again where Deep Fritz fails to achieve this. We have >>>recieved no patches, and there has been no attempt to fix this." >>> >>>Then I wouldn't be trolling, I would be defending my statement. It's like Bruce >>>told me a long time ago, "..let the people of the forum weed out the trolls. >>>Let the people of the forum decide who they are and aren't going to listen to.." >>> >>>This is a poll about ideas, and consquently, opinions. Don't try to moderate >>>that. >>> >>>Let Mr. Kaan defend himself. If he cannot, well then, Vince is in the right. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >>That is the whole point, he DOES NOT HAVE to defend himself, and I would not >>have done it. You have to defend yourself when you are accused with FACTS. >>Saying the Mr. Kaan cannot program is not a fact, it is an insult. >>Why do I care? because this is the typical behavior and language that you >>see in dictatorships "If you are innocent, you do not have to worry". > >I can accuse anyone, of anything I want. I don't have to have facts. Pick up >this weeks Enquirer. It depends how you do it, you will have to court for slander. Miguel > >>Miguel >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>If he does, well, maybe people will stop listening to Vince. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>Slate
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