Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 17:58:21 01/16/02
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On January 16, 2002 at 19:34:08, Bas Hamstra wrote: >On January 16, 2002 at 14:21:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 16, 2002 at 05:55:11, Bas Hamstra wrote: >> >>>On January 16, 2002 at 05:00:48, Ed Schröder wrote: >>> >>>>On January 14, 2002 at 22:59:00, jefkaan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 14, 2002 at 19:17:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>i see bookbuilder in cct4. that is an interface made by >>>>>>Bas Hamstra sold to J.E.F. Kaan >>>>> >>>>>bullshit, bookbuilder is my handle on ICC, >>>>>based on a program which i indeed invented >>>>>to analyze chess openings. >>>> >>>>I found this in one of your README files: >>>> >>>> programming (up till version 3.2 by Bas Hamstra), >>>> ideas, testing,evaluation, & further development by K.E.C, >>>> The Netherlands, further programming (3.8 etc.Michel Langeveld). >>>> >>>>Maybe you can elaborate a bit about the origin of Bookbuilder? >>>> >>>>About Djenghis, when did you start programming Djenghis? Maybe you can tell us a >>>>bit about your program? Type of search, q-search, hash tables etc. In other >>>>words write some convincing stuff Djenghis is yours and yours alone and not >>>>another clone, post some results of test positions or whatever, because I think >>>>in the current situation it is advisable to purify your name. >>>> >>>>Ed >>> >>>Ridiculous... Now he is *advided* by a moderator to defend himself in public >>>against an personal attack without evidence. I clearly smell suspicion from you >>>here and that is *bad*. >>> >>>Tell me why you allow this? The guy has a 1800 program. Now if he gets a top 5 >>>result in ICCCT4, T H E N ask questions. Not now. >> >>_ABSOLUTELY_ _NOT_. >> >>That is _the_ wrong way to handle this. IE "wait and see." If the entry is >>phony then the _entire_ tournament is affected and the results are clearly >>tainted. >So what? Hi Bas, You overlook a major point, an example from practice. Last dutch open 2 programs ended first, based on a few buchholz points one program became the official champion. Now remove one entry and the other program might be the new champion. That's what Bob meant, one exclusion can mess up the whole tournament all the way to the top. >It's just another clone participating. One out of 50. It's nothing >compared to a beginning programmer being discredited and asked to do an exam in >public, based on "he cannot program" and an account he used with YACE. > >>Participant problems must be resolved _prior_ to the start. not _after_ >>it is over. By then it is too late... >>Asking someone to explain some internal details about their program is not >>"out of bounds". Again, at ICCA events this is required on the entry form >>_anyway_. >No problem. But being asked to do an exam in public based on a false accusation >is still scandalous. I wholeheartly agree and understand your anger. But believe me (in the current situation) it is the only way out for Mr. Kaan now that the dirty laundry is on the street. Do not underestimate the devastating effect this kind of slander might have, just check the Ghunda and Bionic cases. Ed PS, I am not writing as a moderator. >Bas. > > > > > > >>The more information that is available, the better things are...
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