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Subject: Re: SSDF never asked you to use their lists!

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 13:08:57 06/17/98

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>>sure, but suppose you know that the typical SSDF tester plays maybe 20 games
>>between two programs before he goes on to a new opponent for one of them?  And
>>suppose you know there are *many* testers that will run such short matches.  If
>>you provide 20 cooks in your book, you get 20 wins.  And by the time the other
>>program has learned to avoid the cooks, the match on that machine is over and
>>the learned results don't prevent a 20-0 match result.
>>
>>As I said, if you know the testing methodology, you can figure out ways to
>>turn it into an advantage.  It's happened more than once...
>
>Sure, but in the pre-learner and narrow book times. Nowadays it's practically
>impossible. If you look at the games played in the last year, you will find very
>few cooks and all played by the same program. Overall wide books and learners
>take care of killer lines so efficiently that they are not a real problem
>anymore.
>
>Enrique

I think you both have valid points.  Bob is right that the match size
could have an impact.  I'm not sure how good the learners really are
and I suspect cooks still have an impact.  I used to detest this but
I have come to believe it is just a fact of life.  Even with a human
match, each player has advantages depending on various factors, like
how fast the games are played, which country it is in, how long the
match is and who knows what other factors.   It's like life in general,
you work with the advantages and disadvanges you are presented with
and try to cope.   Even in chess I believe there is a lot of random
factors and just plain luck.

- Don



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