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Subject: Re: Positional Test [no chances for today' programs?]

Author: Kurt Utzinger

Date: 21:43:15 01/18/02

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On January 17, 2002 at 21:38:44, David Rasmussen wrote:

>[D]2r1r1k1/1b4p1/2p1p2p/pp2q3/1P6/PQ2P3/5PPP/1BR2RK1 w - - 0 25
>
>What program plays Rc5, even though it allows black to save his pawn by a4? bxa5
>wins a pawn for white, but leaves doubles isolated pawns on the a-file, which
>allows counterplay. With 25. Rc5 a4 white has all the positional advantages.
>
>/David

There seems to be no chances for today's programs to understand this position.
Below some analysis for various programs:
Kurt

Neue Partie
2r1r1k1/1b4p1/2p1p2p/pp2q3/1P6/PQ2P3/5PPP/1BR2RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Chess Tiger 14.0 on Ath 1.4/256 with 32 MB hash:

1.bxa5 Ta8 2.Db4 Dc7 3.Lg6 Tf8 4.Dg4 De5
  +-  (1.48)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  168kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.Dh7+ Kf8 4.f3 De5 5.Lg6 Ted8
  +-  (1.56)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:02  864kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.f4 Ted8 4.a6 Lxa6 5.Dh7+ Kf7 6.Lg6+ Kf6
  +-  (1.66)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:04  1465kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dxd5 exd5 3.Lf5 Tc7 4.Ld3 c5 5.Lxb5 Ta8 6.h3 Txa5
  +-  (1.62)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:06  2464kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.f4 Ted8 4.Tf2 Dh5 5.Dh7+ Kf7 6.f5 Td1+ 7.Txd1 Dxd1+ 8.Tf1
  +-  (1.62)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:16  6216kN
1.bxa5 Ta8 2.Db4 Dc7 3.De4 Kf8 4.Dh7 De5 5.Tfd1 Ke7 6.Tc5 Df6 7.a4 Txa5 8.axb5
cxb5
  +-  (1.68)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:48  18642kN
1.bxa5 Dg5 2.Le4 De7 3.a6 Lxa6 4.Lxc6 Tf8 5.Lxb5 Txc1 6.Txc1 Lxb5 7.Dxb5 Dxa3
8.Dc4
  +-  (1.86)   Tiefe: 14   00:02:55  69061kN
1.bxa5 Dg5 2.Le4 De5 3.Lf3 Te7 4.a4 bxa4 5.Dxa4 c5 6.Lxb7 Txb7 7.a6 Tf7 8.Dc4
Ta8 9.Tc2
  +-  (1.90)   Tiefe: 15   00:07:38  185226kN

(Utzinger, Wetzikon 18.01.2002)

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Neue Partie
2r1r1k1/1b4p1/2p1p2p/pp2q3/1P6/PQ2P3/5PPP/1BR2RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7a on Ath 1.4/256 with 32 MB hash:

1.f4!
  ±  (1.19)   Tiefe: 9/29   00:00:00  338kN
1.f4 Df6 2.Dc2 axb4 3.axb4 Ta8
  ±  (1.25)   Tiefe: 9/30   00:00:00  488kN
1.f4 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.bxc5 Txc5 4.Dh7+ Kf8 5.Le4 Dd2 6.Txc5 Dxe3+ 7.Kh1 Lxe4
  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 10/29   00:00:01  1294kN
1.Dc2!
  ±  (1.32)   Tiefe: 10/29   00:00:03  2222kN
1.Dc2 Df6 2.f4 Ta8 3.Dh7+ Kf7 4.Tc5 axb4 5.axb4 Ta4 6.De4 Tea8 7.Ld3
  ±  (1.10)   Tiefe: 11/35   00:00:05  3758kN
1.f4!
  ±  (1.13)   Tiefe: 11/35   00:00:06  4248kN
1.f4!
  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 11/35   00:00:07  5209kN
1.f4 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.bxc5 Txc5 4.Dh7+ Kf8 5.Le4 Txc1 6.Lxd5 Txf1+ 7.Kxf1 exd5
  ±  (1.25)   Tiefe: 12/31   00:00:14  10186kN
1.f4 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.bxa5 Kf8 4.f5 e5 5.f6 e4 6.fxg7+
  ±  (1.38)   Tiefe: 13/37   00:00:50  37096kN
1.f4 Dd5 2.Dc2 Df5 3.Dxf5 exf5 4.Lxf5 Ta8 5.e4 axb4 6.axb4 Ta4 7.Tb1
  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 14/39   00:01:24  63231kN
1.f4 Dd5 2.Dc2 Df5 3.Dxf5 exf5 4.Lxf5 Ta8 5.e4 axb4 6.axb4 Ta4 7.Tb1
  ±  (1.35)   Tiefe: 15/40   00:03:58  183232kN
1.f4 Dd5 2.Dc2 Df5 3.Dxf5 exf5 4.Lxf5 Ta8 5.e4 axb4 6.axb4 Ta4 7.Tb1 Kf7
  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 16/41   00:10:45  499900kN

(Utzinger, Wetzikon 18.01.2002)

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Neue Partie
2r1r1k1/1b4p1/2p1p2p/pp2q3/1P6/PQ2P3/5PPP/1BR2RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Gandalf 4.32h on Ath 1.4/256 32 MB hash:

1.bxa5 Tf8
  ±  (0.84)   Tiefe: 2   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Tf8 2.f4
  ±  (1.32)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dxd5 exd5 3.Lg6
  ±  (1.15)   Tiefe: 4   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 c5 3.f4
  +-  (1.42)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00  14kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dd3 c5 3.e4 Dc6
  ±  (1.24)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  38kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 c5 3.f4 e5 4.Lg6
  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:00  108kN
1.bxa5 Ta8 2.f4 Dd5 3.Dc3 e5 4.fxe5 Dxe5 5.Dxe5 Txe5
  ±  (1.21)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:01  300kN
1.Tc5
  ±  (1.23)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:02  650kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Le4 Txa5 4.Lxc6 Lxc6 5.Txc6
  ±  (1.28)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:02  650kN
1.Tc5 a4 2.Dd3 Df6 3.Tfc1 Tcd8 4.Dh7+ Kf7 5.f4 Td2
  ±  (1.15)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:04  1400kN
1.bxa5
  ±  (1.16)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:04  1400kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 Ted8 3.f3 Ta8 4.Le4 Dd6 5.Dc3
  ±  (1.32)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:08  2700kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.Dh7+ Kf8 4.f3 De5 5.Lg6 Ted8
  +-  (1.56)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:20  6800kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.f4 Ta8 4.Tf2 Kf7 5.Dh7 Dh5
  +-  (1.56)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:37  12500kN
1.bxa5 Ta8 2.Tfd1 Df6 3.Td7 Te7 4.Tcd1 Txd7 5.Txd7 Lc8
  +-  (1.68)   Tiefe: 12   00:03:10  63100kN

(Utzinger, Wetzikon 19.01.2002)

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Neue Partie
2r1r1k1/1b4p1/2p1p2p/pp2q3/1P6/PQ2P3/5PPP/1BR2RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Junior 7 on Ath 1.4/256 with 32 MB hash:

1.bxa5 Ted8
  ²  (0.50)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.Lg6 Ted8 2.bxa5
  ±  (0.87)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
1.Lg6 Ted8 2.bxa5 Td2
  ±  (0.91)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  1kN
1.Dd3 axb4 2.Dh7+ Kf8
  ±  (1.00)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:00  11kN
1.Dd3 c5 2.Dh7+ Kf8 3.Lg6 Ted8 4.bxa5
  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  60kN
1.Dd3 Ted8 2.Dh7+ Kf7 3.Lg6+ Ke7 4.Ld3 axb4 5.axb4 Th8 6.Dg6 Thd8
  ±  (1.10)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:01  1753kN
1.bxa5 Ted8 2.f4 Dd5 3.Dc2 Dd2 4.De4 Td6 5.Dh7+ Kf8 6.Lg6 Dxe3+
  ±  (1.17)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:02  2484kN
1.bxa5 Df6 2.a4 b4 3.Dxb4 La6 4.Tfd1 Tf8 5.Td2 Tb8 6.Dg4 e5
  ±  (1.34)   Tiefe: 15   00:00:15  17673kN
1.bxa5 Df6 2.a4 Ta8 3.axb5 cxb5 4.Dd3 Dg5 5.Dh7+ Kf8 6.g3 Lf3 7.Lg6 Tec8
  ±  (1.33)   Tiefe: 17   00:01:05  72942kN
1.bxa5 Df6 2.a4 Ta8 3.axb5 cxb5 4.Tc7 Te7 5.Tfc1 Txc7 6.Txc7 Tf8 7.f3 Ld5 8.Dxb5
Da1
  ±  (1.30)   Tiefe: 18   00:03:00  194587kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 Df5 3.Dd1 Df6 4.Dd3 Ted8 5.Dh7+ Kf7 6.Ld3 c5 7.Lxb5 Dg5 8.e4
Df4
  ±  (1.28)   Tiefe: 19   00:09:59  643267kN

(Utzinger, Wetzikon 18.01.2002)

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Neue Partie
2r1r1k1/1b4p1/2p1p2p/pp2q3/1P6/PQ2P3/5PPP/1BR2RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 6.32 on Ath 1.4/256 with 32 MB hash:

1.bxa5
  +-  (1.44)   Tiefe: 1/2   00:00:00
1.bxa5
  +-  (1.44)   Tiefe: 1/2   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Dd5
  ±  (1.19)   Tiefe: 2/4   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Dd5
  ±  (1.19)   Tiefe: 2/4   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc3
  +-  (1.44)   Tiefe: 3/6   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc3
  +-  (1.44)   Tiefe: 3/6   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Lh7+ Kxh7 3.Dd3+ Dxd3
  ±  (1.19)   Tiefe: 4/8   00:00:00
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.Dh7+ Kf8
  ±  (1.18)   Tiefe: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Dd3 Dg3
  ±  (1.19)   Tiefe: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Dd3 axb4 2.Dh7+ Kf8 3.axb4
  ±  (1.35)   Tiefe: 4/8   00:00:00
1.Dd3 axb4 2.axb4 c5 3.Dxb5 Dd5
  ±  (1.33)   Tiefe: 5/10   00:00:00
1.Tc5 Dxe3 2.Dxe3 axb4
  ±  (1.34)   Tiefe: 5/10   00:00:00
1.Tc5 Dc7 2.Lg6 a4 3.Dc3
  +-  (1.43)   Tiefe: 5/10   00:00:00
1.Tc5 Dc7 2.Lg6 a4 3.Da2 Te7
  +-  (1.55)   Tiefe: 6/12   00:00:00
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Le4 Tec8 4.Lf5 Txa5 5.Dxe6+ Df7
  +-  (1.64)   Tiefe: 7/14   00:00:00  52kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Le4 Df8 4.Db4 Txa5 5.Lxc6
  +-  (1.48)   Tiefe: 8/16   00:00:00  103kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Le4 De7 4.Te5 Dd6 5.Dc3
  +-  (1.48)   Tiefe: 9/18   00:00:00  201kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Le4 Tec8 4.Db4 Dd8 5.Te5 c5 6.Dxb5 Lxe4 7.Txe4 Dxa5
8.Dxa5 Txa5 9.Txe6 Txa3
  +-  (1.43)   Tiefe: 10/20   00:00:02  520kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 Tcd8 3.a4 Dd6 4.Tfd1 bxa4 5.Txd6 Txd6
  +-  (1.44)   Tiefe: 10/20   00:00:03  832kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 c5 3.f3 La6 4.Dc2 Kf8 5.Tfd1 De5
  +-  (1.52)   Tiefe: 10/20   00:00:04  1075kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 c5 3.f3 La6 4.Dc2 De5 5.Dh7+ Kf8 6.Le4 Ted8
  +-  (1.53)   Tiefe: 11/22   00:00:05  1552kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 c5 3.f3 Dg5 4.f4 Dg4 5.Tf2 La6 6.De5 c4 7.Td2
  +-  (1.56)   Tiefe: 12/24   00:00:11  3209kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Td1 Txa5 4.Td7 Lc8 5.Tc7 g6
  +-  (1.57)   Tiefe: 12/24   00:00:14  4290kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Td1 Ted8 4.Txd8+ Txd8 5.f4 De7 6.Te5
  +-  (1.63)   Tiefe: 12/24   00:00:19  5662kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Td1 De7 4.Dc2 Ted8 5.Td4 Txd4 6.Dh7+ Kf8 7.exd4 Txa5
  +-  (1.51)   Tiefe: 13/26   00:00:36  10877kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 c5 3.f3 Dg5 4.f4 Dg4 5.Tf2 La6 6.De5 Tcd8 7.Dxc5
  +-  (1.52)   Tiefe: 13/26   00:00:48  14473kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.f4 Ted8 4.Tfd1 Dh5 5.Txd8+ Txd8 6.Dxc5
  +-  (1.57)   Tiefe: 13/26   00:01:00  17905kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Db2 c5 3.f3 Dg5 4.f4 Dd5 5.Tfd1 Dc6 6.Dc2 Ta8 7.Dg6 Ted8 8.Txd8+
  +-  (1.63)   Tiefe: 14/28   00:01:45  31121kN
1.Tfd1 c5 2.Dc2 axb4 3.Dh7+ Kf8 4.Td7 Ted8 5.Txb7 Td5
  +-  (1.64)   Tiefe: 14/28   00:03:22  60123kN
1.Tfd1 c5 2.Dc2 Ted8 3.bxc5 Txd1+ 4.Txd1 Kf8 5.Td7 Txc5 6.Df5+ exf5 7.Tf7+ Kxf7
  +-  (1.64)   Tiefe: 14/28   00:04:36  82852kN
1.Tfd1 c5 2.Dc2 Ted8 3.bxc5 Txd1+ 4.Txd1 Kf8 5.Dg6 Ke7 6.f4 Dxe3+ 7.Kh1 Kf8
8.Td8+
  ±  (1.40)   Tiefe: 15/30   00:07:39  137942kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.f4 Ted8 4.Dh7+ Kf8 5.Tf2 Df5 6.Dxf5+ exf5 7.Lxf5
  +-  (1.41)   Tiefe: 15/30   00:08:22  150154kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.f4 Df5 4.De2 Dd5 5.Tfd1 Dc6 6.Dc2 Ta8 7.Dg6 Kf8 8.e4 Kg8
  +-  (1.62)   Tiefe: 15/30   00:09:35  171078kN
1.bxa5 Dd5 2.Dc2 c5 3.f4 Df5 4.De2 Dd5 5.Tfd1 Dc6 6.Dc2 Ta8 7.Dg6 Kf8 8.e4 Kg8
  +-  (1.63)   Tiefe: 16/32   00:14:49  264261kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Db4 Dd8 4.De4 Kf8 5.La2 Dd6 6.Te5 Dxa3 7.Df4+
  +-  (1.64)   Tiefe: 16/32   00:26:53  486416kN
1.Tc5 Df6 2.bxa5 Ta8 3.Db4 Dd8 4.De4 Kf8 5.La2 Df6 6.Db4 Kg8
  +-  (1.70)   Tiefe: 16/32   00:31:32  574684kN

(Utzinger, Wetzikon 19.01.2002)




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