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Subject: Re: Another Look at Deep Blue Prototype Vs Fritz

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 21:01:30 01/19/02

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On January 18, 2002 at 13:39:28, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On January 18, 2002 at 09:00:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 18, 2002 at 03:06:00, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>Do you think Computers are IM or GM strength? I remember you placing then at
>>>around 2450 or so within the past few years maybe i am quoting you wrong
>>
>>
>>My opinion hasn't changed much.  They may _possibly_ touch 2500 now, unless
>>the opponent plays to the machines significant weaknesses.
>>
>
>Bob,
>
>I've tended to agree with you over the years that Deeper Blue was stronger than
>today's fastest PCs running today's strongest chess programs.  However, I've got
>to think that Fritz 7a running on a fast Athlon would come out much higher than
>2500 using any reasonable method of testing its rating (games against humans,
>games against computers, test suites, whatever).


I have no idea whether it would or not.  Again, it depends on multiple things.
1. Hardware.  The best hardware of today is getting into the range of the speed
of the old deep thought hardware.  DT proved itself to be a GM, so on the
best available hardware DF might do it as well.  Hard to say.  2.  GM players
_today_ know much more about anti-computer play than they did 15 years ago,
because now they see strong computers regularly where in 1989 the micros
were really jokes to strong humans.  How DT would have done in the face of
a lot of anti-computer play is a subject for debate, since it really didn't
happen very much.  DB was a different animal of course as even Kasparov tried
to anti-computer it in match two on more than one occasion...

So computers might be "knockin' on the door" on good hardware.  Or maybe
not...



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