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Subject: Re: simple endgame position (and WRONG solution times)

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 10:06:26 06/18/98

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On June 18, 1998 at 12:26:02, Moritz Berger wrote:

>On June 18, 1998 at 10:44:36, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On June 18, 1998 at 09:25:12, Moritz Berger wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 1998 at 06:28:48, Ernst A. Heinz wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 18, 1998 at 04:16:15, blass uri wrote:
>>>>>On June 17, 1998 at 14:49:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>black to move
>>>>>>
>>>>>>position white  Kh3,Ra4,a2,f4,g3,h4
>>>>>>             black  Kc4,Rc3,b4,e6,f5,g6
>>>>>>             black to move wins easily
>>>
>>>>>Fritz5 is not better in this position it needed more than 80 seconds
>>>>>to find Ra3 is winning
>>>>>before that(after 1 minute on my pentium 200MMX) it prefered Re3
>>>>>It intended to  play Ra3 without seeing it is winning after some
>>>>>seconds but change its mind
>>>
>>>On my P233MMX with 98304 KB hash tables, Fritz 5.01 sticks with Ra3 all the time
>>>(from the very first second) and NEVER (I let it analyze 5 minutes) changes to
>>>Re3 (eval for Ra3 is +3 for black after 0 seconds, +5.25 for black after 5
>>>seconds).
>>
>>maybe you did a mistake in the position because if
>>the white king is at h2 instead of h3 it explain the 5.25 evaluation.
>
>... looks like I made a mistake ... sorry. I checked the position again and now
>indeed Fritz finds Ra3 only after 75 seconds with -+ 2 eval.

Welcome on board. :(

I tried this position with Fritz 5.03 (106 MB hash) and with the latest Fritz 5
(32 MB hash) for CB7 (last Tuesday)on a PII/300. They both play immediately Ra3
until ply 12. Then I got:

               F5.03        F5-CB7        F5.03 (32 MB)
Ply 12  Rd3     14''          5''           13''
Ply 12  Re3     25''         14''           27''
Ply 14  Ra3     78''         59''           85''

Why such a big difference in favor of the CB7 module?

Enrique



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