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Subject: Re: Material Values

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 04:48:50 01/21/02

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On January 21, 2002 at 06:39:35, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 21, 2002 at 06:19:56, Torstein Hall wrote:
>
>>On January 20, 2002 at 09:41:48, David Rasmussen wrote:
>>
>>>On January 20, 2002 at 09:29:24, Severi Salminen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 20, 2002 at 09:01:50, David Rasmussen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>There must be a value system of material that takes care of all special cases.
>>>>>
>>>>>1,3,3,5,9:
>>>>>
>>>>>Has the following problems:
>>>>>3 pawns for bishop or knight is almost always a bad idea.
>>>>>2 knights/bishops for rook and pawn is almost always a bad idea.
>>>>>2 rooks for queen is often not a good idea.
>>>>>3 knights/bishops for a queens is often not a good idea. Then again, often it is
>>>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>What is your best bet?
>>>>
>>>>And sometimes a Bishop is better than a knight. So:
>>>>
>>>>P=1, B>N>3*P, R+P>2*B, Q>2*R and Q>3*B.
>>>>
>>>>So maybe P=1, N=3.2, B=3.4, R=6, Q=13?
>>>>
>>>>Severi
>>>
>>>I don't want to score bishop higher than knight. It depends on dynamic factors
>>>that should be in evaluation anyway. I just want to avoid extra code to evaluate
>>>special cases, as Crafty does. I think it is possible.
>>>
>>>/David
>>
>>Is the Bishop pair a special case? Theyb are better in about 80-90% of all
>>practical games.I think that should score 7p together if a bishp is 3.
>
>I prefer bishop, knight and pawn and not 2 bishops
>
>It may be interesting to do comp-comp games to check if I am right(white play
>without knight at b1 bishop at c1 and pawn at a2
>
>black plays without 2 bishops(c8,f8)
>I expect black to have better chances.
>
>Uri

Interesting experiment. But I'm not sure if the pawn on a2 (or h2) is the right
one to take away. It will add quite a lot to the mobility of the rook. Perhpas
the one on b2?

Anyway, I see if I can set up a comp - comp match when I'm home this evening.

Torstein



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