Author: Uri Blass
Date: 21:08:18 01/21/02
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On January 21, 2002 at 15:10:49, Bas Hamstra wrote: >On January 21, 2002 at 04:55:02, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 21, 2002 at 04:07:11, Tony Werten wrote: >> >>>On January 21, 2002 at 03:51:42, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On January 21, 2002 at 02:32:18, Tony Werten wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 20, 2002 at 14:40:08, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 20, 2002 at 12:25:29, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On January 20, 2002 at 09:56:43, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On January 20, 2002 at 09:28:51, Bas Hamstra wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>A dutch saying. I "converted" a colleague that has become a friend at work, I'm >>>>>>>>>not entirely sure that this is a noble thing. He is pretty smart and has a broad >>>>>>>>>interest. So we talked a few times about the insides of a chess program. He >>>>>>>>>became interested and I explained alphabeta. The next day he had alphabeta >>>>>>>>>completely figured out in a spreadsheet, and understood it. Two weeks later, he >>>>>>>>>has a working winboard engine... Boy HE goes fast. In May (if there is a Leiden >>>>>>>>>tournament again) he will show up with "Shark". His main target is to crush Tao >>>>>>>>>:-) At first I smiled, and said that is was quite possible in a couple of years. >>>>>>>>>But lately I am beginning to get the feeling that it might be sooner :-) Have >>>>>>>>>you ever seen someone pick it up SO quickly...? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>IIRC Bruce started on Ferret in 1994 and had (from his own comments) an engine >>>>>>>>that could have been commerical by the end of 1995. I think that's certainly >>>>>>>>a remarkable archievement, especially considering that seven years ago there >>>>>>>>was much less information and examples available. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bruce works for Microsoft. He doesn't count. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I do not understand what is the importance of the question where someone works >>>>>>for the discussion. >>>>> >>>>>Certain workenvironments give acces to a lot of experienced programmers. >>>>>Although it's not a sure it helps, it doesn't hurt either. >>>>> >>>>>Tony >>>> >>>>I believe that there are 2 important things to be good in chess programming. >>>> >>>>1)having talent for programming that means the ability to do fast a well defined >>>>algorithm with no stupid bugs that you need to work hours to discover. >>>> >>>>2)having talent for math that can help you to be better in finding >>>>a better algorithm and to be better in guessing if an idea is wrong or right >>>>based on previous experience. >>>> >>>>The number of people who have special talent for both 1 and 2 is small but I >>>>believe that someone with special talent for 1 and 2 can do a top program in >>>>every game in a few weeks. >>> >>>I disagree. You forgot 3) Having new ideas. Not everything is published, so you >>>need a feel of what is happening in your program and then find ways to do that >>>best. 1 and 2 will only give you a decent program. >>> >>>Tony >> >>I think that having new ideas is included in 2 >>people who have a special talent for math need to have new ideas in order to >>discover new things. > >I think (and those are the most seldom) people with a special talent for writing >top programs very fast can do it. But seriously NONE can start from zero an >write a top program in a few weeks, you must be kidding... As far as I know SMK >has the absolute world record, doing it within a couple of months (almost a year >or so I believe). If I am not mistaken he started from zero. I do not think that SMK is the best(I assume that you mean to the programmer of shredder). I know that shredder is not good in tactics relative to Fritz and I expect a good programmer first to do the program good in tactics(It seems to me easier than investigating how to get better positional evaluation). I do not say that SMK is a bad programmer and he is probably better than more than 99% of the programmers but it is not enough. You cannot prove that None can start from zero and write a top program in few weeks when most of the programmers simply did not try. I believe that the few programmers who can do it can earn more monry from other things and not from chess programming. Uri
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