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Subject: Re: Junior 7 endgame blunder !

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 13:56:55 01/22/02

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On January 22, 2002 at 14:22:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 22, 2002 at 13:36:36, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>
>>On January 22, 2002 at 12:04:34, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On January 22, 2002 at 11:56:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 22, 2002 at 10:40:33, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>[D]B7/5pk1/6p1/7p/7P/8/4K3/8 b - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>In this position Junior 7 played 60.....f5 ?? and lost this ending.  This was
>>>>>done with access to all 3/4/5 man tablebases.  I'm an idiot and I can see about
>>>>>3 ways to draw this ending without tablebases.
>>>>>By the way, what's up with Chessbase?  If you ask Junior 7 to copy the position,
>>>>>this is what you get: "wKe2,Ba8,Ph4/bKg7,Pf7,g6,h5"   Have they never heard of
>>>>>FEN over there?  Who in the hell uses this kind of nonsense to describe a
>>>>>position???????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How could it possibly lose this as black?  Even if it just gives
>>>>up all the pawns, white has the wrong bishop if my eyes are not playing
>>>>tricks on me.  It would seem that playing g6 when black can't recapture
>>>>if white takes would be the only way to lose, turning that worthless rook
>>>>pawn into a knight pawn that can win.
>>>
>>>You asked for it!
>>>
>>>[D]B7/5pk1/6p1/7p/7P/8/4K3/8 b - - 0 60
>>>  60...f5 61.Ke3 f4+ 62.Kxf4 Kh6 63.Be4 Kg7 64.Kg5 Kh8 65.Kh6 Kg8 66.Bd5+ Kh8
>>>67.Bc4 g5 68.hxg5 h4 69.g6 h3 70.g7# 1-0
>>
>>Seems like it is still a draw after 64. ...Kh7
>>My conclusionn is that f5 wasn't the blunder, 64. ...Kh8 was.
>>
>>Peter
>
>
>
>I agree here.  This is what we were looking at on ICC this afternoon, and
>until Kh8, things look reasonable.  But after Kh8 I get an instant mate in
>18 for white.  However, f5 and f4 are pretty senseless as well as they just
>chuck tempi and get the white king up to where it wants to be anyway...

I agree Bob.  I was looking at it from my "idiots" point of view.  If I was
playing this position I would immediately play to eliminate the last white pawn
so I could not lose (on time). (It was game/25 minutes)  Computers don't think
like me so they play different.  But this needs fixing.



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