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Subject: Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 13:52:38 01/25/02

On January 25, 2002 at 16:46:38, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>I would like to know the opinion of the readers of this forum on the following
>questions.
>1.What would be the Elo rating of the perfect chessplayer?

Depends on whether or not he's playing against another perfect player.  If he
wins 100% of his games, his ELO is infinite.  If he plays another perfect player
and draws 100%, then his ELO is anywhere from 1 to any arbitrary huge number
(same as his opponent) depending on how you seeded the calculation.

>2.Are there natural limits to the strenght that can be achieved in chess
>for a computerchess player? (Not the present centuary but in any future;that
>is what I mean by natural limits).

If you calculate to the end of the game, you cannot improve on that.  I don't
think we'll see that happen real soon.

>3.If the rating of perfect player is say x ;what would be the rating of
>the stongest computer player ever(that is the best chessprogram that can be
>ever contructed useing computer technology) .It would be x-?.Or would it be x?

It would be zero, unless it was perfect also.  The perfect player would win
every game and get all the ELO points.  The imperfect player would lose all the
games and get an ELO of zero.

Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Amir Ban 10:05:57 01/26/02
Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess karen Dall Lynn 14:13:24 01/25/02
Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Uri Blass 14:07:59 01/25/02
- Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess ALI MIRAFZALI 14:28:19 01/25/02
- Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 14:19:17 01/25/02
  - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 14:25:56 01/25/02
    - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Jesper Antonsson 16:36:03 01/26/02
      - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Angrim 18:10:20 01/28/02
    - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 14:31:56 01/25/02
      - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 14:49:13 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 14:53:39 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Roy Eassa 14:56:07 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Aaron Tay 09:50:03 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess J. Wesley Cleveland 17:42:29 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 11:43:36 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess karen Dall Lynn 15:30:14 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 15:42:03 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 15:22:15 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Janosch Zwerensky 09:23:00 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 15:31:10 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 16:03:21 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Janosch Zwerensky 09:29:50 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 09:52:34 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Peter Hegger 12:13:28 01/27/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 14:07:26 01/27/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 16:15:26 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 16:33:24 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 16:47:44 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Roy Eassa 14:48:00 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Sune Fischer 15:11:45 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 15:43:01 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Sune Fischer 16:30:10 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 17:41:28 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 10:43:06 01/26/02
      - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Uri Blass 14:39:19 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 14:46:39 01/25/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Uri Blass 21:29:02 01/25/02
    - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess ALI MIRAFZALI 14:31:21 01/25/02
Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 14:07:46 01/25/02
- Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Dann Corbit 14:25:39 01/25/02
  - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Sune Fischer 03:50:45 01/26/02
    - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 05:41:09 01/26/02
      - Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Sune Fischer 05:54:10 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Roy Eassa 14:33:29 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 06:07:51 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Sune Fischer 06:27:03 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 06:32:43 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Uri Blass 06:50:17 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Sune Fischer 07:00:44 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Uri Blass 09:16:52 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Sune Fischer 09:55:21 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Albert Silver 06:12:06 01/26/02
        
        Re: Some Philosophical questions on the limits of Computer chess Sune Fischer 05:56:57 01/26/02

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