Author: Don Dailey
Date: 12:19:04 06/20/98
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On June 20, 1998 at 13:32:31, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >On June 19, 1998 at 18:00:14, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On June 19, 1998 at 12:37:08, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On June 19, 1998 at 02:02:06, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>> >>>>2) Does anyone really really want to see this stuff, and if so, should we ask >>>>Steve to set up a "censored" mailing list, so people can get a chance to see >>>>what is being culled from the group? I assume that we all have enough integrity >>>>to respond properly if someone brings up a good objection to deletion of >>>>something, and would put it back. >>> >>>This seems absolutely necessary to me. >>> >>>I'm pretty sure moderators will do their job correctly, and no post will go back >>>from recycle bin to CCC, but the recycle bin has to be archived somewhere. > >>I disagree with this idea for two reasons. >> >>First, it undermines the whole purpose of deleting posts. Whatever the reason >>that any of your moderators want to do such a thing, you will agree that putting >>it on a mailing list or moving it to a special place for "bad" posts achieves >>the opposite purpose. It will be more like: "Hey everybody, take a look at this >>!". To make it clear where this leads, I think that if I knew that to delete a >>post, I first have to put under a spotlight in this way, I would probably prefer >>not to do anything. > >Christophe's idea doesn't bother me at all. > >The mailing list doesn't exist as a "hey, should we delete this" group, it's a >"here, we deleted this" group. > >If someone wants to start a discussion because we deleted the wrong thing, this >is no big deal either. Hopefully we won't delete the wrong thing. And if we do >delete the wrong thing, we deserve to come under scrutiny. And if it's a >marginal case we'd tell them, sorry, that's how we reacted, maybe you can be the >one doing the job next time these jobs come open. > >>Second, the way you put it, it sounds like the newsgroup is going to debate >>deleted posts, and maybe decide in some way to override the moderators. I wonder >>what kind of procedures you would have to make this work. Even if you do, I >>don't think it should work this way. As long as you have elected moderators, you >>should accept their decision. If you don't like what the moderators do, fire >>them and elect others. Ways of firing the moderators can be arranged. > >If there was something in the post worth debating, then by all means let's >debate it. If someone wants to go into ultra- civil-libertarian mode about our >deleting a "f--- you" post, and start a big thing here, well, that's a risk, but >I'd rather deal with that than deal with someone writing in r.g.c.c. about how >their perfectly logical and reasonable post was deleted without a trace, boycott >CCC, blah blah. > >And with a mailing list, perhaps some of this sort of discussion would get >off-loaded to there, which would reduce the need for this kind of thread here. > >>I see the need for transparency and accountability in the way we act. There's >>something sinister in posts vanishing completely, sort of like Orwell's "memory >>hole". On the other hand "deleting" posts by sending them to many people and >>putting them on debate is nonsense. I'm in favour of not physically deleting a >>post but replacing the subject by "Deleted by ... on ...", and making it empty >>or unreadable. > >Your first two sentences are exactly why I started this topic. I figured that >people might become unnerved if they saw something nasty, then looked again >later to see if anyone responded and it was completely gone without a trace or >mention. > >But I don't think it is worth cluttering up the group with little black X's >where something nasty used to be, either. I figured that setting up a process >wherein those of us with cast-iron stomachs and/or paranoid tendencies can >guarantee that they could see *everything* would save us from these problems. > >bruce This is just my opinion Bruce, and I understand your concerns and have them too, but I think we should simply delete any post that is clearly abusive and leave it at that. There are 3 of us to keep each other honest. I personally don't see it as being more complicated than that. - Don
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