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Subject: Re: Fritz 7.0.0.6 has futility pruning on as default.

Author: Torstein Hall

Date: 04:44:26 01/27/02

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On January 27, 2002 at 06:20:59, Bas Hamstra wrote:

>[D]r2r1bk1/ppqb1ppp/2p1p3/6P1/2PPN3/PB3Q2/1P3P1P/1K1RR3 w - - Nf6!!

Fritz needs 1:08 to find Nf6+ on my Athlon 1,4Ghz. It looked like the main
problem was that g6 also gives white a nice plus. After that the score just keep
growing.

New game
r2r1bk1/ppqb1ppp/2p1p3/6P1/2PPN3/PB3Q2/1P3P1P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7:

1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Bd6 3.c5 Bxh2 4.Qh3 h6 5.Nxe6
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 9/25   00:00:00  266kN
1.g6 hxg6 2.Ng5 Bc8 3.Qh3 Bd6 4.Qh7+ Kf8 5.Qh8+ Ke7 6.Qxg7 Ke8 7.Qg8+ Bf8
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:01  1076kN
1.g6 hxg6 2.Ng5 Bc8 3.Qh3 Bd6 4.Qh7+ Kf8 5.Qh8+ Ke7 6.Qxg7 Ke8 7.Qg8+ Bf8 8.c5
  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:04  2545kN
1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Re8 3.Qf7+ Kh8 4.Nxh7 Kxh7 5.Re3 Qxh2 6.Rdd3 Qh1+ 7.Ka2 e5
8.Qxd7
  ±  (1.31)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:16  10919kN
1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Bc8 3.c5 Re8 4.Qh3 h6 5.Nxe6 Bxe6 6.Rxe6 Kh7
  +-  (1.56)   Depth: 13/33   00:00:49  31942kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (1.59)   Depth: 13/35   00:01:08  44476kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (1.75)   Depth: 13/38   00:01:16  50175kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (2.06)   Depth: 13/38   00:01:28  57983kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (2.34)   Depth: 14/38   00:02:07  84101kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (2.63)   Depth: 14/38   00:02:46  110940kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (3.19)   Depth: 14/40   00:05:51  239110kN

(Hall, Privat 27.01.2002)




>
>Tao solves this in a couple of minutes (I believe 4 minutes to resolve the fail
>high). But with futility pruning turned on it doesn't. I am curious how it
>affects Fritz solution time. Fritz and CM see it pretty quick, in about 2
>minutes.
>
>Best regards,
>Bas.
>
>On January 27, 2002 at 03:59:21, Ernst Walet wrote:
>
>>On January 26, 2002 at 20:02:29, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>
>>>On January 26, 2002 at 16:42:23, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 26, 2002 at 12:48:46, German Rodriguez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>When I click on defaults in the F7 engine parameters, futility pruning is
>>>>>enabled as default on my copy. No one has brought this up, so is it just me that
>>>>>this happens to?
>>>>>
>>>>>Won't this do more harm than good in longer time controls and therefore should
>>>>>it be left unchecked?
>>>>
>>>>Yes I noticed it too and futhermore the option for mate extentions is gone.
>>>>
>>>>I haven't found a position though where this pruning resulted in not finding a
>>>>move, or taking much more time.  Maybe someone else did?
>>>>
>>>>Ernst.
>>>
>>>Try the move Nf6+!! that Ponomariov played with and without.
>>>
>>>Bas.
>>
>>
>>Can post the position for me, Bas?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ernst.



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