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Subject: Re: Fritz 7.0.0.6 has futility pruning on as default.

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 05:15:58 01/27/02

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Yes you're right, with fp on it takes Fritz another ply and twice the time to
find Nf6.

Ernst.

Futility Pruning off

New game
r2r1bk1/ppqb1ppp/2p1p3/6P1/2PPN3/PB3Q2/1P3P1P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7:

1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Bd6 3.c5 Bxh2 4.Qh3 h6 5.Nxe6
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 8/23   00:00:00  149kN
1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Bd6 3.c5 Bxh2 4.Qh3 h6 5.Nxe6
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 9/25   00:00:00  274kN
1.g6 hxg6 2.Ng5 Bc8 3.Qh3 Bd6 4.Qh7+ Kf8 5.Qh8+ Ke7 6.Qxg7 Ke8 7.Qg8+ Bf8
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:02  1090kN
1.g6 hxg6 2.Ng5 Bc8 3.Qh3 Bd6 4.Qh7+ Kf8 5.Qh8+ Ke7 6.Qxg7 Ke8 7.Qg8+ Bf8 8.c5
  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:05  2634kN
1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Re8 3.Qf7+ Kh8 4.Nxh7 Kxh7 5.Re3 Qxh2 6.Rdd3 Qh1+ 7.Ka2 e5
8.Qxd7
  ±  (1.31)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:20  11413kN
1.Nf6+!
  ±  (1.34)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:41  22509kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (1.63)   Depth: 13/34   00:00:52  28645kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (1.91)   Depth: 13/36   00:01:01  33734kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (2.47)   Depth: 13/36   00:01:19  44699kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (2.75)   Depth: 14/41   00:02:16  78521kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (3.03)   Depth: 14/41   00:03:01  105422kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (3.59)   Depth: 14/44   00:04:43  166173kN

(Celeron 1.2GHz, 832MB hash, 3 & 4 piece EGTB's 27.01.2002)


Futility Pruning on

New game
r2r1bk1/ppqb1ppp/2p1p3/6P1/2PPN3/PB3Q2/1P3P1P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7:

1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Bd6 3.c5 Bxh2 4.Qh3 h6 5.Nxe6
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 8/23   00:00:00  147kN
1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Bd6 3.c5 Bxh2 4.Qh3 h6 5.Nxe6
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 9/25   00:00:00  266kN
1.g6 hxg6 2.Ng5 Bc8 3.Qh3 Bd6 4.Qh7+ Kf8 5.Qh8+ Ke7 6.Qxg7 Ke8 7.Qg8+ Bf8
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:02  1076kN
1.g6 hxg6 2.Ng5 Bc8 3.Qh3 Bd6 4.Qh7+ Kf8 5.Qh8+ Ke7 6.Qxg7 Ke8 7.Qg8+ Bf8 8.c5
  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:04  2548kN
1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Re8 3.Qf7+ Kh8 4.Nxh7 Kxh7 5.Re3 Qxh2 6.Rdd3 Qh1+ 7.Ka2 e5
8.Qxd7
  ±  (1.31)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:17  10021kN
1.g6 fxg6 2.Ng5 Bc8 3.c5 Re8 4.Qh3 h6 5.Nxe6 Bxe6 6.Rxe6 Kh7 7.Bc2
  +-  (1.56)   Depth: 13/36   00:00:53  31894kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (1.59)   Depth: 13/37   00:01:19  47005kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (1.75)   Depth: 13/37   00:01:26  51122kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (2.06)   Depth: 13/37   00:01:38  58301kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (2.34)   Depth: 14/36   00:02:13  79372kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (2.63)   Depth: 14/37   00:02:48  101145kN
1.Nf6+!
  +-  (3.19)   Depth: 14/39   00:06:04  219987kN

(Celeron 1.2GHz, 832MB hash, 3 & 4 piece EGTB's 27.01.2002)



On January 27, 2002 at 06:20:59, Bas Hamstra wrote:

>[D]r2r1bk1/ppqb1ppp/2p1p3/6P1/2PPN3/PB3Q2/1P3P1P/1K1RR3 w - - Nf6!!
>
>Tao solves this in a couple of minutes (I believe 4 minutes to resolve the fail
>high). But with futility pruning turned on it doesn't. I am curious how it
>affects Fritz solution time. Fritz and CM see it pretty quick, in about 2
>minutes.
>
>Best regards,
>Bas.
>
>On January 27, 2002 at 03:59:21, Ernst Walet wrote:
>
>>On January 26, 2002 at 20:02:29, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>>
>>>On January 26, 2002 at 16:42:23, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 26, 2002 at 12:48:46, German Rodriguez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>When I click on defaults in the F7 engine parameters, futility pruning is
>>>>>enabled as default on my copy. No one has brought this up, so is it just me that
>>>>>this happens to?
>>>>>
>>>>>Won't this do more harm than good in longer time controls and therefore should
>>>>>it be left unchecked?
>>>>
>>>>Yes I noticed it too and futhermore the option for mate extentions is gone.
>>>>
>>>>I haven't found a position though where this pruning resulted in not finding a
>>>>move, or taking much more time.  Maybe someone else did?
>>>>
>>>>Ernst.
>>>
>>>Try the move Nf6+!! that Ponomariov played with and without.
>>>
>>>Bas.
>>
>>
>>Can post the position for me, Bas?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ernst.



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