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Subject: Re: with the full game (PGN)

Author: Eduard Nemeth

Date: 07:45:45 01/27/02

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On January 27, 2002 at 10:39:30, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On January 26, 2002 at 21:11:53, David Dory wrote:
>
>>On January 26, 2002 at 20:25:02, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>The following position developed in a game newer of date:
>>>
>>>[D]7R/8/7k/6p1/r5p1/6B1/5PK1/1r6 b - - 0 0
>>>
>>>
>>>We are near that 100 moves here already somewhere. The two human players played
>>>here up to the bitter end of the 50 moves rule, because black did not want
>>>simply to see that the position not to be won is. One would play against
>>>programs in such a way became the programs here probably likewise 50 moves to
>>>long only shift. The interested reader can test once like different programs
>>>this position to evaluate. For me would be interesting to know whether a program
>>>before the 50 moves rule would still try a rook against the bishop to sacrifice
>>>there black still a pawn more possesses thereafter?
>>>
>>>Eduard
>>
>>
>>********** SAY WHAT ??? **********
>>
>>How many moves from this position until the 50 move rule may be invoked?
>>
>>
>>Dave
>
>I am sorry, the translation was with the Babelfish : :-(
>
>Here the original german text:
>
>Wir sind hier bereits irgendwo nahe dem 100 Zug. Die beiden menschlichen Spieler
>spielten hier bis zum bitteren Ende der 50 Züge Regel, denn schwarz wollte
>einfach nicht einsehen dass die Stellung nicht zu gewinnen ist.
>
>Würde man gegen Programme spielen so würden die Programme hier vermutlich
>ebenfalls 50 Züge lang NUR rumschieben. Der interessierte Leser kann ja einmal
>testen wie verschiedene Programme diese Stellung bewerten.
>
>Interessant für mich wäre zu wissen ob ein Programm vor der 50 Züge Regel noch
>versuchen würde einen Turm gegen den Läufer zu opfern da schwarz noch immer
>einen Bauern mehr besitzt danach?
>
>Regards,
>Eduard


[Event "18th Open Skopje MKD "]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2002.??.??"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Dinev,D"]
[Black "Kutirov,R"]
[WhiteElo "2270"]
[BlackElo "2365"]
[ECO "A42"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c4 d6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Be3 e5 6. dxe5
Nxe5 7. Be2 Nf6 8. h3 O-O 9. Nf3 Nxf3+ 10. Bxf3 Be6 11. Be2
c6 12. O-O d5 13. exd5 cxd5 14. cxd5 Nxd5 15. Nxd5 Qxd5
16. Qxd5 Bxd5 17. Rad1 Bxa2 18. Rd7 a5 19. Ra1 Bb3 20. Rxb7
a4 21. Bf3 Rab8 22. Ra7 Bxb2 23. R1xa4 Bxa4 24. Rxa4 Be5
25. g3 Rfd8 26. Kg2 Kg7 27. h4 h5 28. Re4 Bf6 29. Ra4 Rb2
30. Be4 Rb3 31. Kf1 Bc3 32. Rc4 Rb4 33. Rxc3 Rxe4 34. Ke2
Rd7 35. Rb3 Kf6 36. Kf3 Kf5 37. Ra3 f6 38. Rb3 Rd5 39. Ra3
Rc4 40. Rb3 Ra5 41. Bb6 Re5 42. Be3 Rc2 43. Ra3 Rb5 44. Rd3
Rcb2 45. Rd8 R2b3 46. Rd1 Re5 47. Rd6 g5 48. hxg5 fxg5
49. g4+ hxg4+ 50. Kg3 Rb1 51. Rd8 Rh1 52. Rf8+ Kg6 53. Rg8+
Kf7 54. Ra8 Rg1+ 55. Kh2 Rb1 56. Kg3 Rb4 57. Ra6 Rf5
58. Rc6 Rf3+ 59. Kg2 Rb2 60. Bb6 Rfb3 61. Bc7 Ra2 62. Bg3
Ra4 63. Rd6 Rf3 64. Rc6 Rf6 65. Rc7+ Kg6 66. Rc1 Rfa6
67. Rc8 Ra1 68. Rg8+ Kh5 69. Rh8+ Rh6 70. Rg8 Rh7 71. Rc8
Ra6 72. Rc4 Rha7 73. Rc8 Ra8 74. Rc7 Rb6 75. Rc1 Rba6
76. Rc4 Ra1 77. Rc6 Rd1 78. Be5 Ra7 79. Rc5 Rad7 80. Bg3
R7d5 81. Rc8 Rb1 82. Rh8+ Kg6 83. Rg8+ Kf7 84. Ra8 Rdd1
85. Bh2 Ra1 86. Rb8 Ra4 87. Bg3 Kg6 88. Rg8+ Kf5 89. Rf8+
Ke6 90. Re8+ Kf7 91. Rb8 Raa1 92. Bh2 Rdb1 93. Rd8 Ra4
94. Bg3 Kg6 95. Rg8+ Kf5 96. Rf8+ Kg6 97. Rg8+ Kh6 98. Rh8+
Kg7 99. Rc8 Re4 100. Rc7+ Kf6 1/2-1/2

Eduard



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