Author: Amir Ban
Date: 04:35:13 01/28/02
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On January 28, 2002 at 06:42:25, Albert Silver wrote: >On January 28, 2002 at 06:33:26, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On January 28, 2002 at 06:12:53, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>>Will TACTIC's eventually REFUTE! Positional play? >>> >>>In the end yes. >>> >>>It is my (new) opinion that the nature of chess is just search. >>> >>>Elo progress of (professional) chess programs... >>> >>>1990 - elo 2000 (average depth 6-8) (TC 40/2h) >>>1995 - elo 2300 (average depth 8-10) >>>2000 - elo 2500 (average depth 11-13) >>>2002 - elo 2600 (average depth 12-14) >>> >> >>This begs the question, because the programs are newer and play positionally >>different. Will a 1990/1995 program perform 2600+ on today's hardware ? >>Doubtful. >> >> >>>No way to stop it. >>> >>>No suprise Kasparov lost against Deep Blue. >> >>It was a surprise because he is clearly better. >> >>> >>>The sad future: it will be in the headlines when a grandmaster occasionally will >>>win from a computer. >>> >> >>If this will happen due to positionally outplaying will you also consider it sad >>? >> >>Amir > >I don't think he meant it would be sad they won, but that this would be >considered news. In any case, I'm afraid I agree with him on the nature of >chess. I think that positional play is just extremely deep and refined tactical >play. Since we approach them differently, we regard them as different, but that >is still how I regard them. Notice how already some elements of knowledge that >were necessary in older programs are removed as the search makes up for it. >Naturally this isn't the whole trend, but it does say something. > I think GM's will still be beating Genius 2 and Fritz 3 in 2010. In computer chess the line dividing positional play and tactics is very sharp and is the difference between what is known through search or through evaluation. This sharp line raises a sharp question as to how to make progress ? My own opinion is that evaluation is the most promising option. Amir
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