Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 12:15:27 01/29/02
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On January 29, 2002 at 14:01:19, K. Burcham wrote: >as we purchase new software, and put our old software in storage, >I often wonder the strength of the old programs on new hardware. > >this is the first game i played between old fritz and new fritz. >i also know this was only "one game". >i draw several conclusions. > old fritz on more mhz can beat new fritz on smaller mhz, sometime. > the game was very interesting to watch. > both sides aggressive play. > both sides showed different main lines most of game. > both sides did not guess opponents expected move correctly, most of game. > during game, Fritz 5.32 1350kns--1500kns 192 hash > during game, Fritz7 400kns--500kns 192 hash > during game, Fritz7 played depths of 1 to 3 more than Fritz 5.32 > even with three times more kns. > >also notice at end of game, Fritz7 shows incorrect mate in x > Fritz 5.32 shows mate in x correctly > > >game info----Fritz7 eval from game > >Fritz 5.32,1533 mhz - Fritz 7,1000 mhz >30 minute >192 hash > Fritz7.ctg, > >1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 (c4) 2...e6 3.Nf3 h6 4.Bh4 c5 5.e3 b6 6.Bd3 Bb7 7.Nbd2 Be7 8.c3 >0-0 9.0-0 d6 10.Qe2 Nbd7 11.Rad1 (Ng4) 11...d5 0.28/12 1:24 12.Ne5 (Rfe1) >12...Nxe5 0.28/13 1:10 13.dxe5 Nd7 0.28/14 44 14.Bxe7 Qxe7 0.31/14 25 >15.f4 f6 0.25/13 0 16.exf6 (Rf6) 16...Rxf6 0.28/13 0 17.e4 c4 0.41/13 0 >18.Bc2 (Bb1) 18...Raf8 0.31/12 1:04 19.g3 Qc5+ 0.25/11 1:30 20.Qf2 (Rf2) >20...g5 0.19/11 40 21.Qxc5 (Nc5) 21...Nxc5 0.03/14 0 22.e5 R6f7 0.06/15 >36 23.fxg5 hxg5 0.09/14 30 24.Rxf7 Kxf7 0.06/13 8 25.Rf1+ (Ke7) 25...Ke7 >0.00/16 0 26.Rxf8 Kxf8 0.00/16 0 27.h3 (Nf3) 27...Nd7 0.12/15 30 28.Nf3 >d4 0.19/16 0 29.Nxd4 (Nxg5) 29...Ke7 0.00/15 1:07 30.Nb5 (h4) 30...a6 >0.09/15 31 31.Nd6 Bd5 0.03/15 20 32.a4 (Kf2) 32...b5 -0.03/15 43 33.axb5 >Nxe5 0.09/15 0 34.Nc8+ Kd8 0.00/16 22 35.Na7 a5 0.00/14 11 36.b6 (Kf1) >36...Ke7 0.25/14 43 37.Kf2 Nd7 0.00/14 17 38.h4 (Nc8+) 38...gxh4 0.12/15 >30 39.gxh4 Nxb6 0.22/15 19 40.h5 Kf6 0.28/16 29 41.h6 Nd7 0.47/15 0 >42.Nc8 (Nb5) 42...Ne5 0.66/15 36 43.h7 Kg7 0.72/15 20 44.Ke3 Bb7 0.72/14 >17 45.Nd6 (Nb6) 45...Bd5 0.94/15 30 46.Kd4 Nf3+ 1.12/15 18 47.Kc5 Ne5 >0.94/15 7 48.Kb5 (a4) 48...Bc6+ 1.22/14 0 49.Kxa5 Bg2 1.47/15 10 50.Kb5 >(Bd5) 50...Bf1 1.59/16 32 51.Kc5 Nd7+ 1.91/15 26 52.Kd4 (e5) 52...e5+ >1.84/15 9 53.Ke3 Nf6 1.94/15 0 54.Bf5 (Bd3) 54...Nxh7 2.34/15 21 55.Bxh7 >Kxh7 2.84/18 9 56.Ke4 Kg8 2.97/19 17 57.Kxe5 Kf8 2.91/19 0 58.Kd4 (Kd5) >58...Ke7 3.50/19 26 59.Nxc4 (Kd8) 59...Kd7 3.69/18 17 60.b4 Kc6 3.78/19 >0 61.Na3 (Bb5) 61...Kb6 4.09/20 37 62.c4 (Kc7) 62...Kc7 4.22/19 0 63.c5 >Be2 4.59/19 0 64.b5 Bd1 4.44/17 2 65.b6+ (Bf3) 65...Kb7 5.62/19 18 >66.Kd5 Bf3+ 9.66/18 11 67.Kd6 Be2 13.25/19 36 68.Nc2 Ba6 11.03/17 32 >69.Nd4 (Bd3) 69...Kb8 #21/16 23 70.c6 Kc8 #55/13 18 71.Ne6 (Bb7) 71...Kb8 >#52/10 6 72.Nc5 (Bb7) 72...Bb7 #40/7 11 73.Nxb7 (c7+) 73...Kc8 #7/7 0 >74.Kd5 (Nd8) 74...Kb8 #10/7 0 75.Nd6 (c7+) 75...Ka8 #15/7 0 76.Kc5 (Ke6) >76...Kb8 #2/2 0 77.c7+ Ka8 #1/2 5 78.c8Q# >1-0 > > > >game info----Fritz 5.32 eval from game > >Fritz 5.32,1533 mhz - Fritz7,1000 mhz >30 minute >192 hash >Fritz7,ctg > >1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 (Ne4) 3.Nf3 h6 4.Bh4 c5 5.e3 b6 (cxd4) 6.Bd3 Bb7 7.Nbd2 Be7 >8.c3 0-0 (g5) 9.0-0 d6 (Nc6) 10.Qe2 Nbd7 (Re8) 11.Rad1 0.09/12 1:08 d5 12.Ne5 > 0.19/12 15 Nxe5 13.dxe5 0.34/14 0 Nd7 14.Bxe7 0.13/14 0 Qxe7 15.f4 >0.09/13 52 f6 16.exf6 0.19/13 2:06 Rxf6 (Nxf6) 17.e4 0.22/12 47 c4 >18.Bc2 0.13/13 0 Raf8 19.g3 0.06/12 0 Qc5+ (R6f7) 20.Qf2 0.00/12 1:56 >g5 (dxe4) 21.Qxc5 0.25/12 53 Nxc5 22.e5 0.00/11 21 R6f7 23.fxg5 0.00/13 >0 hxg5 24.Rxf7 0.00/13 0 Kxf7 (Rxf7) 25.Rf1+ 0.31/13 53 Ke7 (Kg7) 26.Rxf8 > 0.41/14 42 Kxf8 27.h3 0.34/14 39 Nd7 (Kg7) 28.Nf3 0.25/15 53 d4 29.Nxd4 > 0.31/14 21 Ke7 30.Nb5 0.31/16 0 a6 (a5) 31.Nd6 0.69/14 22 Bd5 32.a4 >0.44/14 5 b5 (a5) 33.axb5 0.59/14 31 Nxe5 (axb5) 34.Nc8+ 0.53/14 22 Kd8 >35.Na7 0.69/14 6 a5 36.b6 0.94/14 8 Ke7 37.Kf2 0.97/15 0 Nd7 (Kd6) >38.h4 0.50/14 25 gxh4 39.gxh4 0.81/15 3 Nxb6 40.h5 0.88/16 0 Kf6 (e5) >41.h6 1.00/15 29 Nd7 (e5) 42.Nc8 1.19/14 21 Ne5 43.h7 1.44/16 0 Kg7 >44.Ke3 1.34/14 2 Bb7 (Bg2) 45.Nd6 1.53/14 20 Bd5 46.Kd4 1.47/15 0 Nf3+ >47.Kc5 1.50/15 3 Ne5 48.Kb5 1.69/14 17 Bc6+ (Bf3) 49.Kxa5 1.78/14 18 >Bg2 50.Kb5 1.88/14 9 Bf1 51.Kc5 1.56/15 0 Nd7+ 52.Kd4 1.63/15 5 e5+ >(Bd3) 53.Ke3 1.72/14 16 Nf6 (Nf8) 54.Bf5 1.97/15 28 Nxh7 55.Bxh7 2.16/17 >0 Kxh7 56.Ke4 2.31/19 0 Kg8 (Kg7) 57.Kxe5 2.34/18 10 Kf8 58.Kd4 2.59/18 >6 Ke7 59.Nxc4 2.88/20 0 Kd7 (Be2) 60.b4 2.97/15 25 Kc6 (Kc7) 61.Na3 >3.09/15 17 Kb6 (Kb7) 62.c4 3.41/16 22 Kc7 (c5) 63.c5 3.19/15 16 Be2 >64.b5 3.69/15 8 Bd1 (Bg4) 65.b6+ 4.38/15 20 Kb7 66.Kd5 4.78/18 0 Bf3+ >67.Kd6 7.84/18 0 Be2 (Nc2) 68.Nc2 11.16/19 0 Ba6 (Nd4) 69.Nd4 9.28/15 7 >Kb8 (Bd3) 70.c6 12.28/13 5 Kc8 71.Ne6 13.38/14 0 Kb8 (Nc5) 72.Nc5 #7/11 >1 Bb7 (Kc8) 73.Nxb7 #6/8 0 Kc8 74.Kd5 #5/6 7 Kb8 75.Nd6 #4/4 6 Ka8 >76.Kc5 #3/2 6 Kb8 77.c7+ #2/1 5 Ka8 78.c8Q# #1/1 5 >1-0 > > >this is an example of difference in search. i am not saying Fritz 5.32 could not >have won with Fritz7 move, it seems either move would win for Fritz 5.32. >the old program would not choose new program move, >and the old program still won after 29.Nxd4. > [D] 5k2/pb1n4/1p2p3/4P1p1/2pp4/2P2NPP/PPB5/6K1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 7: > >29.Nxg5 dxc3 30.bxc3 Ke7 31.Be4 Bxe4 32.Nxe4 Nxe5 33.Kf2 Nd3+ 34.Ke3 b5 35.g4 >Kf8 36.h4 > = (0.13) Depth: 15/28 00:00:17 9344kN >29.Nxg5 dxc3 30.bxc3 Ke7 31.Be4 Bxe4 32.Nxe4 Nxe5 33.Kf2 b5 34.Ke3 a6 35.a4 Nd3 >36.axb5 > = (0.25) Depth: 16/29 00:00:41 21875kN >29.Nxg5 dxc3 30.bxc3 Ke7 31.Be4 Bxe4 32.Nxe4 Nxe5 33.Kf2 b5 34.Ke3 a6 35.g4 Kf7 >36.Nc5 > ² (0.28) Depth: 17/33 00:01:53 61326kN >29.Nxg5 dxc3 30.bxc3 Ke7 31.Be4 Bxe4 32.Nxe4 Nxe5 33.Kf2 b5 34.Ke3 Nd3 > ² (0.34) Depth: 18/34 00:04:45 154924kN >29.Nxg5 d3 30.Ba4 Nc5 31.Bd1 Bd5 32.Nh7+ Ke7 33.Nf6 d2 34.Kf2 Nd3+ 35.Ke3 Nxb2 >36.Kxd2 > ² (0.34) Depth: 19/42 00:12:52 419639kN >29.Nxg5 d3 30.Ba4 Nc5 31.Bd1 Bd5 32.Kf2 Nd7 33.Bg4 Ke7 34.Bf3 Nxe5 35.Bxd5 exd5 >36.Ke3 > = (0.25) Depth: 20/45 00:24:24 797404kN > > > >Analysis by Fritz 5.32: > >29.Nxd4 Ke7 30.Nb5 a5 31.Nd6 Ba6 32.Ne4 Nxe5 33.Nxg5 Nd3 > ² (0.34) Depth: 16/32 00:02:44 241154kN >29.Nxd4 Ke7 30.Nb5 a5 31.Nd6 Ba6 32.Ne4 Nxe5 33.Kf2 g4 > ² (0.28) Depth: 17/33 00:07:56 702525kN >29.Nxd4 Ke7 30.Nb5 a5 31.Nd6 Ba6 32.Ne4 Nxe5 33.Kf2 Nf7 > ² (0.34) Depth: 18/35 00:22:03 1972187kN >kburcham I think if you would give Fritz5.32 more ram he would go further in ply I always see Fritz as a program where ram is of much importance. you should do a same experiment with Junior then you will see a real diference in ply. you also could use my quick set setting for fritz7 al pieces for computer to 1 exept for pawn and kingsafety to 5 intresting play will apear also much harder to beat for fritz5.32 Regards Marc van Hal
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