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Subject: Re: computer programs cannot see a very simple draw in a pawn ending

Author: blass uri

Date: 09:55:38 06/22/98

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On June 22, 1998 at 12:15:25, Amir Ban wrote:

>On June 22, 1998 at 10:02:42, blass uri wrote:
>
>>The position 3k4/2p1p1p1/p1P1P1Pp/P6P/4K3/8/8/8
>>white to move.
>>
>>every human can understand it is a draw but my programs cannot evaluate
>>the position as 0.00
>>Is there a program that understand it is a draw?
>>( it is enough to use an hash table of 36*9*2=648 positions)
>>
>>Uri
>
>This is a good example to see what your hash table can't do for you.
>
>The problem is that all the positions here evaluate the same. None of them are
>obviously drawn or obviously won, so the only way the search can find a draw
>score is to find a repetition or 50 moves in the PV. White cannot be forced to
>make a repetition, so the only hope is to search this to 100 ply, but this takes
>too much time.
>
>Amir
In this position to search to 100 ply should not take too much time

There are programs that search to more than 100 plies
in all the ending of 5 pieces when there are more possible positions.

Uri



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