Author: Harald Faber
Date: 13:18:57 01/30/02
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On January 30, 2002 at 12:04:52, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >On January 30, 2002 at 10:05:30, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On January 30, 2002 at 05:56:51, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >> >>>On January 30, 2002 at 00:58:04, Harald Faber wrote: >>> >>>Gandalf always get's better results when its .lrn file is filling up, atleast >>>that has been my observations with earlier versions. >>> >>>Regards >>>Jonas >> >>I am not very interested in how strong an engine is after a few hundred games >>but in how strong an engine is out of the box. > >But if those are directly related how can you not find it interesting?? >You were then one saying you were surprised that G5 beat GT2 and i only offered >my opinion as to how that could happen. No, not possible, because after each match I deleted the learn files. :-) >Let's say that in order to find the "true" strength of say gandalf, you would >have to play a few hundred or more games to reach its full potential, why do you >not find that important, Fritz, Junior, Tiger and all the other opponents >already have a healthy dose of booklearn i assume, so would it not only be fair >if Gandalf was tested with the same conditions? There is no sense in testing Gandalf 50 games vs. Fritz 7 and then play another 50 games vs. another opponent. Reason: After 50 games Gandalf has some learn values the new opponent does not have. Only Fritz 7 and Gandalf do. So Gandalf would have advantage. And the more games you play, the bigger the advantage over the last opponent Gandalf plays. BTW that is exactly what SSDF does and why I perform my own tests. :) Sometimes the results fit, sometimes they don't... >Also why do you think the author even made the booklearn feature in his engine? For playing (humans) of course. :-) But learning should be used in a special way if you want to test and compare something like strength. SSDF somehow tests the learning too. I don't and I don't care. I don't want to see how strong one program can be after learning from 500 games. I want to see how strong the engine is NOW, out of the box. Because this is more that what normal customers have. Out of the box, no 500-1000 learned tournament games. Right? >Regards >Jonas
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