Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 07:19:00 01/31/02
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On January 30, 2002 at 16:18:57, Harald Faber wrote: >On January 30, 2002 at 12:04:52, Jonas Cohonas wrote: > >>On January 30, 2002 at 10:05:30, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On January 30, 2002 at 05:56:51, Jonas Cohonas wrote: >>> >>>>On January 30, 2002 at 00:58:04, Harald Faber wrote: >>>> >>>>Gandalf always get's better results when its .lrn file is filling up, atleast >>>>that has been my observations with earlier versions. >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Jonas >>> >>>I am not very interested in how strong an engine is after a few hundred games >>>but in how strong an engine is out of the box. Then you might be prety disapointed in Rebel too. regards Marc van Hal >> >>But if those are directly related how can you not find it interesting?? >>You were then one saying you were surprised that G5 beat GT2 and i only offered >>my opinion as to how that could happen. > >No, not possible, because after each match I deleted the learn files. :-) > >>Let's say that in order to find the "true" strength of say gandalf, you would >>have to play a few hundred or more games to reach its full potential, why do you >>not find that important, Fritz, Junior, Tiger and all the other opponents >>already have a healthy dose of booklearn i assume, so would it not only be fair >>if Gandalf was tested with the same conditions? > > >There is no sense in testing Gandalf 50 games vs. Fritz 7 and then play another >50 games vs. another opponent. Reason: After 50 games Gandalf has some learn >values the new opponent does not have. Only Fritz 7 and Gandalf do. So Gandalf >would have advantage. And the more games you play, the bigger the advantage over >the last opponent Gandalf plays. >BTW that is exactly what SSDF does and why I perform my own tests. :) >Sometimes the results fit, sometimes they don't... > > >>Also why do you think the author even made the booklearn feature in his engine? > > >For playing (humans) of course. :-) >But learning should be used in a special way if you want to test and compare >something like strength. SSDF somehow tests the learning too. I don't and I >don't care. I don't want to see how strong one program can be after learning >from 500 games. I want to see how strong the engine is NOW, out of the box. >Because this is more that what normal customers have. Out of the box, no >500-1000 learned tournament games. Right? > > >>Regards >>Jonas
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