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Subject: Re: If Black could move first: Does 1...Na3 win quickly?

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 06:11:09 02/03/02

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On February 02, 2002 at 16:19:36, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On February 02, 2002 at 15:51:24, Mike S. wrote:
>
>>[D]RNBQKBNR/PPPPPPPP/8/8/8/8/pppppppp/rnbqkbnr b - - 0 1
>>Sensational results! Obviously, 1...Na3 is a quick win.
>
>The position you have set up is known as Wild5 on the chess servers, except with
>a different side to move.  Computers pretty much suck at evaluating this, since
>there will quickly be many queens on the board.  It may be that in this case
>black wins, but I wouldn't trust Fritz in this type of position for even a
>second.


I get the following after a night running:

[D]RNBQKBNR/PPPPPPPP/8/8/8/8/pppppppp/rnbqkbnr b - -

Rebel Engine for ECTool. (c) Ed Schröder

Engine version   :  REBEL CENTURY 2
Rebel personality :  "Personality Q5T"
Opening book file :  RebelC.mvs
Hash table size  :  4 MB
Analysis mode   :  Analyzing next move
Refresh interval : 500 ms

Game begin

00:00  08.00  1.63  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 b1=Q 3.g8=Q bxb6 4.Bh6 Rb1
00:00  09.00  1.63  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 b1=Q 3.g8=Q bxb6 4.Bh6 Rb1
00:01  10.00  1.74  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 b1=Q 3.g8=Q Ba3 4.Bh6 c1=Q
00:05  11.00  1.61  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 b1=Q 3.g8=Q Nb5 4.Bh6 Nd6+
00:15  12.00  2.08  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 b1=Q 3.g8=Q Nb5
00:49  13.00  2.30  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 Nb5 3.Ne4 b1=Q 4.g8=Q bxb4
03:02  14.00  3.57  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 Nb5 3.Ne4 b1=Q 4.Na6 Ba3
05:51  15.00  3.11  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 Nb5 3.Ne4 b1=Q 4.g8=Q bxb4
15:13  16.00  3.57  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 Nb5 3.Ne4 b1=Q 4.Na6 Ba3
04:52  17.00  4.72  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 Nb5 3.Ne4 b1=Q 4.Na6 Ba3
31:42  18.00  4.00  1..Nc3 2.Nf6 Nb5 3.Ne4 b1=Q 4.Na6 Ba3

19 ply looked like a fail-high but no more patience for that.

It could be that the evaluation is off but that the computer is still hard to
beat by humans. I found old Crafty-list mail from Michel Langeveld saying that
he had much success with Crafty at Wild5:


---------------
Modification to let Crafty play Wild 5, 16-07-00

I already posted this on CCC. But maybe not everybody reads that. It's a
very small modifcation...

I registered a new Crafty on ICC called Wild5Crafty.
It hasn't lost a single time yet :-P. So which expert can let it flame.

Ofcourse Crafty's evaluation can be more optimized for Wild 5, but why
making things stronger if nobody can win already from this...

 ----------------------------------------------------------
|                                                          |
|   "wild" command sets up an ICS wild position (only 7 at |
|   present, but any can be added easily, except for those |
|   that Crafty simply can't play (two kings, invisible    |
|   pieces, etc.)                                          |
|                                                          |
 ----------------------------------------------------------
*/
  else if (OptionMatch("wild",*args)) {
    int i;

    if (nargs < 2) {
      printf("usage:  wild <value>\n");
      return(1);
    }
    i=atoi(args[1]);
    switch (i) {
    case 5:
      strcpy(buffer,"setboard
RNBKQBNR/PPPPPPPP/8/8/8/8/pppppppp/rnbkqbnr w");
      (void) Option(tree);
      break;
    case 7:
      strcpy(buffer,"setboard 4k/5ppp/////PPP/3K/ w");
      (void) Option(tree);
      break;
    default:
      printf("sorry, only wild5 and wild7 implemented at present\n");
      break;
    }
  }

-------------------

Incidently, about the "strongest Crafty", 16.19 (Not on the mysteriousy
reinstated Chessbase engines list though) did well at blitz according to ICC
people on the Crafty-list and in later versions Dr. Hyatt concentrated more on
longer timecontrols.

 Eelco



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