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Subject: Re: A very hard test position

Author: John Merlino

Date: 12:00:56 02/04/02

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On February 04, 2002 at 07:41:13, Uri Blass wrote:

>This position is from the ssdf games(RebelCentury4-Shredder5.32).
>
>[D]8/8/8/3qr2p/4k2P/3p2PK/R7/Q7 w - - 0 79
>The last move of Shredder was Ke3-e4
>
>How much time does your program need to see that white wins material after
>ke3-e4?
>Is ke3-e4 the losing blunder in the game?
>
>The game continued 79.Rf2 Qd7+ 80.Kh2 Rf5 81.Qe1+ Kd4 82.Ra2 Qb5 and Shredder
>had to resign at move 121
>

CM8000 says that 78...Ke4 was not "losing", and it appears to see a draw after
79.Rf2 Rf5:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-0.74	4249		79.Qe1+ Kf5 80.Qf2+ Kg6 81.Ra6+ Re6
0:00	1/3	0.60	7689		79.Ra4+ Kf5 80.Rd4 Qe6 81.Rxd3
0:00	1/4	-0.46	14432		79.Ra4+ Kf5 80.Rd4 Qe6 81.Qc1 Kf6+
					82.Kg2
0:00	2/5	-0.53	49363		79.Ra4+ Kf5 80.Rd4 Qe6 81.Qd1 Kg6+
					82.g4 Re3+ 83.Kg2 hxg4 84.Rxg4+
					Kh7
0:03	2/6	-1.06	266968		79.Ra4+ Kf5 80.Rd4 Qe6 81.Qf1+
					Kg6+ 82.g4 hxg4+ 83.Rxg4+ Kh5 84.Qf3
					Re2
0:08	2/6	-0.41	575407		79.Rf2 Qd7+ 80.Kh2 Rf5 81.Qe1+
					Kd4 82.Qa1+ Kc4 83.Qa2+ Kb5 84.Qb3+
					Kc6 85.Rb2
0:17	3/7	-0.32	1325178		79.Rf2 Rf5 80.Qe1+ Kd4 81.Rb2 Qd7
					82.Rb4+ Kc5 83.Qc3+ Kd6 84.Kh2
					Ke7 85.Re4+ Kf8 86.Qh8+ Kf7
0:42	4/8	-0.39	3263983		79.Rf2 Rf5 80.Qe1+ Kd4 81.Qa1+
					Kc5 82.Ra2 Qf3 83.Qc3+ Kd5 84.Ra5+
					Ke6 85.Ra6+ Kd7 86.Ra7+ Kd6 87.Qd4+
					Qd5 88.Qb6+ Qc6 89.Qd4+ Ke6
2:13	5/9	0.00	9916533		79.Rf2 Rf5 80.Qe1+ Kd4 81.Qa1+
					Kc5 82.Ra2 Qf3 83.Qc3+ Kd5 84.Ra5+
					Ke6 85.Ra6+ Kd7 86.Ra7+ Kd6 87.Ra6+
					Kd5 88.Ra5+
5:10	6/10	0.00	23775970	79.Rf2 Rf5 80.Qe1+ Kd4 81.Qa1+
					Kc5 82.Ra2 Qf3 83.Qc3+ Kd5 84.Ra5+
					Ke6 85.Ra6+ Kd7 86.Ra7+ Kd6 87.Ra6+
					Kd5 88.Ra5+

I should also note, though, that the default personality DOES play 78...Ke4
after thinking for about 30 seconds on my PIII-600 (it prefers Qe6+ before
then):

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-0.92	3064		78...Qe6+ 79.Kg2 Qc6+ 80.Kg1 Qd5
0:00	1/4	-0.66	16994		78...Qe6+ 79.Kh2 Qd6 80.Qg1+ Ke4
					81.Ra4+ Kf5 82.g4+ Kf6
0:01	2/5	-0.47	67826		78...Qe6+ 79.Kh2 Qd6 80.Qg1+ Ke4
					81.Ra4+ Kf5 82.Qf2+ Kg6 83.Qd2
0:02	2/6	-0.57	198663		78...Qe6+ 79.Kh2 Qd6 80.Qg1+ Ke4
					81.Ra4+ Kf5 82.Qf2+ Kg6 83.Rd4
0:07	3/7	-0.29	497283		78...Qe6+ 79.Kh2 Qd6 80.Qg1+ Ke4
					81.Ra4+ Kf5 82.Qf2+ Kg6 83.Rd4 Rd5
0:27	3/7	-0.41	1911964		78...Ke4 79.Rf2 Qd7+ 80.Kh2 Rf5
					81.Qe1+ Kd4 82.Qa1+ Kc4 83.Qa2+
					Kb5 84.Qb3+ Kc6 85.Rb2
0:48	4/8	-0.32	3480686		78...Ke4 79.Rf2 Rf5 80.Qe1+ Kd4
					81.Rb2 Qd7 82.Rb4+ Kc5 83.Qc3+
					Kd6 84.Kh2 Ke7 85.Re4+ Kf8 86.Qh8+
					Kf7

jm



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